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rebel100 Wrote:If engineering is a realistic goal for him I would be cautious about the Math and science courses...its fine to use ALEKS to learn/homeschool....and I would take the credits to ACE as a just in case....but an engineering program is likely to want to see a pretty serious math progression and I doubt there are very many who will accept an alternative like ALEKS (I'm not knocking ALEKS...just pointing out that an engineering degree will likely have very specific requirements).

I would explore the dual enrollment options of your state, take advantage of those as much as you can. Find out which engineering programs will let you use CLEP/DSST for credit. Some may not.

If you can pull of the dual enrollment that would provide a place for the Physics and Chemistry with a lab that he's sure to need.

LOL I'm sure there are things in this life that Rebel and I disagree on, but this isn't one of them. I completely AGREE with everything he just said. For a STEM student path, I'd consider CLEP/DSST for any humanities and social sciences. (nothing tested for STEM subjects unless it's AP) Use ALEKS if you like it, but not for the ACE aspect. I'm still a fan of Saxon through precal and then dual-enrollment for Calc 1 and above. Lab science at the CC for sure, be sure it's for SCIENCE MAJORS not intro for non-science majors.

I'd spend 9th and 10th grade on reading and math above all else- 2 hours per day each. Good, hard literature and lots of it mixed in with any reading they want. Everything else is frosting (or the law, depending on your state) and I'd pick 1 time slot semester for testing- which can mean more than 1 test. I hesitate to give too many specifics on how to organize your day, I'd just consider something like this:
English / Literature / Reading / Writing 2 hours daily
Math 2 hours daily
Elective as allows (1 at a time)
Foreign Language (optional but an excellent source of credit with cumulative knowledge)

Elective is my word- not what you'd say on the transcript.

Here is a possible structure of how to fill in using electives:
August/September/October/November - US History 1 (CLEP)
November/December/January/February - US History 2 (CLEP)
February/March/April -Civil War and Reconstruction (DSST)
April/May - Social Science and History (CLEP)

Those 4 classes could be written on a high school transcript as "9th grade social science" or "US History" as 1 credit (2 semesters at 1/2 credit fall, 1/2 credit spring) but his college credit would be 3 + 3+ 3+ 6 = 15 credits.

No test for English, Math, or Foreign language at this time. His cumulative knowledge will be used later in these.
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#12
cookderosa Wrote:I'd spend 9th and 10th grade on reading and math above all else- 2 hours per day each. Good, hard literature and lots of it mixed in with any reading they want. Everything else is frosting (or the law, depending on your state) and I'd pick 1 time slot semester for testing- which can mean more than 1 test. I hesitate to give too many specifics on how to organize your day, I'd just consider something like this:
English / Literature / Reading / Writing 2 hours daily
Math 2 hours daily
Elective as allows (1 at a time)
Foreign Language (optional but an excellent source of credit with cumulative knowledge)

Elective is my word- not what you'd say on the transcript.

Here is a possible structure of how to fill in using electives:
August/September/October/November - US History 1 (CLEP)
November/December/January/February - US History 2 (CLEP)
February/March/April -Civil War and Reconstruction (DSST)
April/May - Social Science and History (CLEP)

Those 4 classes could be written on a high school transcript as "9th grade social science" or "US History" as 1 credit (2 semesters at 1/2 credit fall, 1/2 credit spring) but his college credit would be 3 + 3+ 3+ 6 = 15 credits.

No test for English, Math, or Foreign language at this time. His cumulative knowledge will be used later in these.

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#13
I think many of my fellow IC'ers are tired of hearing it, but I would keep my eye on New Mexico Junior College as a dual enrollment option. They accept a lot of CLEP, have the dual enrollment, and are probably a lot cheaper than your local CC....however.....all "public" colleges partake of public monies and subsidies to operate, so if you have an issue with this it may be that no public college is right for you. I would consider a compromise of some order here...your liable to lock yourself out of some great opportunities!


Further it's a myth that Cook and I ever disagree...and in the event that a disagreement ever pops up she's probably right! Smile
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rebel100 Wrote:I think many of my fellow IC'ers are tired of hearing it, but I would keep my eye on New Mexico Junior College as a dual enrollment option. They accept a lot of CLEP, have the dual enrollment, and are probably a lot cheaper than your local CC....however.....all "public" colleges partake of public monies and subsidies to operate, so if you have an issue with this it may be that no public college is right for you. I would consider a compromise of some order here...your liable to lock yourself out of some great opportunities!


Further it's a myth that Cook and I ever disagree...and in the event that a disagreement ever pops up she's probably right! Smile

I should have clarified in that the dual enrollment is set up through the state and costs nothing if you can get signed on through the local high school. I'm not opposed to dual enrollment in and of itself. (Okay, so I'm reading this and I say 'clarified' like I know what I'm talking about...LOL! I'm still trying to get all the lingo down.

I have another question - how does a person determine which CLEP/DSST corresponds to a class?

I'm off to look at NMJC now. I'm having a hard time navigating the sites to the info I need/want.

Blessings -
Camille

PS - Thank you all again for the wealth of information!
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KeepItSimple Wrote:I should have clarified in that the dual enrollment is set up through the state and costs nothing if you can get signed on through the local high school. I'm not opposed to dual enrollment in and of itself. (Okay, so I'm reading this and I say 'clarified' like I know what I'm talking about...LOL! I'm still trying to get all the lingo down.
Clear as mud!

An old thread about NMJC http://www.degreeforum.net/general-educa...state.html

Distance Learning at NMJC New Mexico Junior College - Distance Learning
Unbelievably low cost Tuition and Fees - New Mexico Junior College
CLEP at NMJC (what the CLEP's equate too) New Mexico Junior College - CLEP Challenge
Degree Plans New Mexico Junior College - Academic Programs

Best,
Mike
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rebel100 Wrote:Clear as mud!

An old thread about NMJC http://www.degreeforum.net/general-educa...state.html

Distance Learning at NMJC New Mexico Junior College - Distance Learning
Unbelievably low cost Tuition and Fees - New Mexico Junior College
CLEP at NMJC (what the CLEP's equate too) New Mexico Junior College - CLEP Challenge
Degree Plans New Mexico Junior College - Academic Programs

Best,
Mike

I ALWAYS forget to ask until we start talking about New Mexico, but do they accept ACE evaluated courses? Specifically ALEKS and or Straighterline?
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rebel100 Wrote:Clear as mud!

An old thread about NMJC http://www.degreeforum.net/general-educa...state.html

Distance Learning at NMJC New Mexico Junior College - Distance Learning
Unbelievably low cost Tuition and Fees - New Mexico Junior College
CLEP at NMJC (what the CLEP's equate too) New Mexico Junior College - CLEP Challenge
Degree Plans New Mexico Junior College - Academic Programs

Best,
Mike

Thanks, Mike! I'm still a bit confused on when to enroll and how many credits are excepted, but I guess we have a few years yet and things could change cost-wise. I think most places won't allow dual enrollment until a certain age, and he's just 13 yet. Am I correct?

Blessings,
Camille
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#18
KeepItSimple Wrote:Thanks, horsemaniac! I am plotting the course now to see where we get. What high school curriculum did you use that helped prepare you? I don't want to spend a year with an English class to find it didn't really help, which I'm sure you can appreciate!

You said in two months you completed the ALEKS math classes - I'm counting five of those. How much math background did you have prior to those tests? He has completed pre-algebra, starting Algebra next year.

Thanks again!
Camille

You're welcome! Glad to help! I apologize for the delayed response. First off, Rebel and cookderosa have really good points that I hadn't even thought of especially regarding ALEKS. Like I said, I'm no expert so I can tell you what worked for me but I'd be sure to listen to the more experienced advice on here. Big Grin

Okay, as far as curriculum here is what we used (I only listed the tests that I studied for high school credit and tested to receive college credit):
College Compostion - Other than random grammar and spelling books, the biggest resource we used was Blended Structure and Style by James Webster. It is offered through the Institute in Excellence in Writing, but I think my mom got it off of Amazon. It was a big book with lots of reading, but I found it extremely helpful with writing. I should be getting my English results back this week and we'll see how much it helped! Tongue

Analyzing Literature - We didn't really use a curriculum for this one, but we did study a book called "How to Read Slowly" by James Sire which I think helped with reading comprehension.

Biology & Chemistry - Apologia (I really liked this curriculum and I'm pretty sure the material is considered college prep material. Lots of our local co-ops use Apologia)

Western Civilization I, US History I & II, American Literature, Natural Sciences, American Government, Macro/Microeconomics - For these tests I didn't use a curriculum. Even though I got high school credit, I just studied the study materials listed in the Specific Exam Feedback. You could look into REA books as a study option.
**On a note about the history tests, my mom started us several years ago on ancient history and we spent a lot of time working our way slowly through history. My mom likest to mix and match resources, so we used many different resources including a few library resources.**

Now, as far as math, our only curriculum was Math-U-See. I completed all the way through the Algebra 2 book before beginning ALEKS. I had never had Pre-calculus or statistics so those were new subjects to me.

Hope this helped!! You've got lots of great advice on this thread already! Keep up the good work! Smile
CLEP:
West. Civ I - 65, A&I Lit - 66, Biology - 65, Chemistry - 55, Nat. Sciences - 64, US Hist I - 68, Am. Lit - 61, US Hist II - 62, Am. Gov. - 67, Macroecon. - 63, Microecon. - 75, College Comp. - 66, Prin. of Marketing - 68, Prin. of Mngt - 71

DSST:
Civil War and Reconst. - 70, Prin. of Supervision - 443, Intro to World Rel - 477, Intro to Bus - 443, HR Mgmt - 64, Intro to Computing - 458, Prin. of Fin. Acct - 80Big Grin, Bus Ethics & Society - 447, Prin. of Finance - 437

ALEKS:
Int. Algebra, College Algebra, Precalc, Intro to Stats., Business Stats.

SAYLOR:
Corp. Comm - 78%, Bus Law and Ethics - 76%

PENN FOSTER:
Manag. Acct. - 96, Int. Acct. 1 - 98, Int. Acct. 2 - 87, Cost Acct. - 94, Strategic Bus. Mngt. - 95

ADAMS STATE:
Auditing - 89

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Adv. Acct. - B

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KeepItSimple Wrote:I have another question - how does a person determine which CLEP/DSST corresponds to a class?
It all depends on the school. Try to get a catalog from your college that lists what CLEPs and DSSTs equate to there.
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I am also a homeschool graduate. I agree with the previous posters. Jennifer's and Mike's advice are excellent. Try to follow each high school subject with a corresponding CLEP or DSST test. But for engineering and any other math/science intensive area, be careful with the STEM courses. These should most likely be taken through a college, either through dual-enrollment or after HS. AP exams may be another option for any high school/general education subject, possibly including science and math. Generally homeschoolers can take AP exams at the local high schools, but be sure to contact the high schools first, because not all allow other students to take the AP exams there. I am not very knowledgeable on dual enrollment so unfortunately I cannot help you much there.

It is difficult to advise exactly what to do, as, depending on your son's plans and inclinations, different paths may be better for him. It may be better to get a bachelor in business through testing and online courses or dual enrollment during high school, then continue to engineering. Business would be useful, even as an engineer, and he is young and has the time to do both. Or it may be better to go for engineering and get an associates during high school, followed by a bachelor in engineering at a university.

KeepItSimple Wrote:I have another question - how does a person determine which CLEP/DSST corresponds to a class?
As Westerner said, the best way to determine is to check the catalog of the school. If you and your son have not chosen a school yet, check catalogs of different schools that are possibilities. To help, usually the name of the CLEP/DSST is similar to the name of the corresponding class. You can also compare the descriptions of the class and CLEP/DSST. Also, the general education (social science, humanities, natural science, etc.) CLEP/DSST exams are most likely to be accepted by more colleges (except college composition - many colleges require students to take their composition course).

KeepItSimple Wrote:What high school curriculum did you use that helped prepare you? I don't want to spend a year with an English class to find it didn't really help, which I'm sure you can appreciate!
To add more input to this question: I used ABeka curriculum starting in 10th grade, which seemed to prepare me quite well. Before 10th grade, I used various resources - no curriculum, similar to HorseManiac. I used BJU (and another algebra program) for math until Algebra II. My first college math test was College Algebra. I reviewed the algebra program and studied a college textbook for that exam. For pre-calculus and calculus, I took college courses.

I agree with Jennifer, consistently do English Composition/Literature/Reading and Math and add another subject or two, which changes whenever you finish each subject (do one subject, when you finish it, do the next, etc.). I would only add to consistently do Science as well, especially if he wants to do engineering. That is what my family did. We generally did English, Math, and two other subjects at a time, one science, the other social science or humanities (history, government, economics, geography, art, music, etc).

KeepItSimple Wrote:PS - How do you use a signature?
Click Settings on the top of the page, Edit Signature on the left, then you can add a signature.

I hope this helps.
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CLEP:
English Literature - 67, Chemistry - 60, Microeconomics - 69, Macroeconomics - 77, U.S. History I - 68, U.S. History II - 64, American Government - 64, Humanities - 68, College Algebra - 64, English Composition - 56, Financial Accounting - 80 Smile, Principles of Management - 74, Intro. Business Law - 73, Principles of Marketing - 79, Info. Systems & Computer Applications - 77

DSST:
Introduction to Business - 446, Human/Cultural Geography - 69, Personal Finance - 463, Principles of Supervision - 443, Organizational Behavior - 76, Human Resource Management - 77, Business Ethics and Society - 468, Principles of Finance - 471, Management Information Systems - 447, Money and Banking - 73

TECEP:
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