Robert Cavelier University Journey

[Sagan]

They have until August this year to submit application to DEAC and 1 more year to show successful candidacy status.

DEAC does not have a candidacy status. A school is an applicant until (a) they are accredited, (b) they are denied, or © they withdraw.

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Again, it is absolutely worthless. Attend a real university. Good luck getting a job after attending Groupon University. You'd get laughed at in the US for assuming ENEB's equivalence to an RA Master's degree when submitting a job application.

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If you were able to somehow get through HR and land an interview, I personally would not hire you based on the fact you "invested" time and money into something so worthless. I'd consider you high risk. There are way too many REAL universities you could attend to get an education for very little money that are regionally accredited.

This post does not reflect reality regarding the acceptance of degrees by employers. Most do not even check, and many that do fail to understand what they're looking at. It is the very basis of shenanigans like proprio and diploma mills. They prosper because they work.

[bjcheung77]

For academic purposes, this may not fit in all instances or scenarios that prospective students are looking at, but for some looking at filling knowledge gaps or gaining information such as a newer skillset, it may fit their needs. I'd at least look at DEAC institutions but usually recommend RA or their affordable international equivalents instead.

[eLearner]

It is the very basis of shenanigans like proprio and diploma mills. They prosper because they work.

That statement is unfair. Propios are not shenanigans. They are perfectly legitimate programs that are common to a number of countries. There may be some schools that handle them in a way we may not agree with, but the same can be said for some schools and degree programs right here in the United States.

[Sagan]

It is the very basis of shenanigans like proprio and diploma mills. They prosper because they work.

That statement is unfair. Propios are not shenanigans. They are perfectly legitimate programs that are common to a number of countries. There may be some schools that handle them in a way we may not agree with, but the same can be said for some schools and degree programs right here in the United States.

It's very fair. The degrees are inferior. This isn't my opinion; it's a fact.

One goes to a university to get two things and to give two things. One gives one's money and one's academic achievement. One receives an education and a degree.

But if that degree is not acceptable in some situations where a degree at that level and in that subject area is required, then it is inferior.

This isn't just true for propio degrees. It's also true for degrees earned from outfits "renting" a school's identity. Emprasarial University comes to mind.

Degrees from diploma mills ARE inferior, too. Completely. They fail to give the purchaser either an education or a degree. Just a co-conspirator fashioning a lie. Are propio degrees diploma mill products? Of course not. 

Similar concerns arise when discussing DEAC and other non-regionally accredited schools. The degrees are inferior because they do not perform in some situations where an accredited degree is required.

Now, these flaws--proprio degrees and degrees from non-regionally accredited schools--might be irrelevant to someone's present and future needs. A good idea is to try to ensure this by making the best choice possible. But there is leeway here. For example, I suggest non-academics consider professional doctorates from DEAC-accredited schools to advance both their careers and their place in their respective professions. It's not an all-or-nothing thing (like it is with diplom mills--always no). 

It used to get tedious reading posts from people upset with these realities. They came exclusively from people who'd gone those routes and were defending their decisions after the fact.

[eLearner]

It's very fair. The degrees are inferior. This isn't my opinion; it's a fact.

One goes to a university to get two things and to give two things. One gives one's money and one's academic achievement. One receives an education and a degree.

But if that degree is not acceptable in some situations where a degree at that level and in that subject area is required, then it is inferior.

This isn't just true for propio degrees. It's also true for degrees earned from outfits "renting" a school's identity. Emprasarial University comes to mind.

Degrees from diploma mills ARE inferior, too. Completely. They fail to give the purchaser either an education or a degree. Just a co-conspirator fashioning a lie. Are propio degrees diploma mill products? Of course not. 

Similar concerns arise when discussing DEAC and other non-regionally accredited schools. The degrees are inferior because they do not perform in some situations where an accredited degree is required.

Now, these flaws--proprio degrees and degrees from non-regionally accredited schools--might be irrelevant to someone's present and future needs. A good idea is to try to ensure this by making the best choice possible. But there is leeway here. For example, I suggest non-academics consider professional doctorates from DEAC-accredited schools to advance both their careers and their place in their respective professions. It's not an all-or-nothing thing (like it is with diplom mills--always no). 

It used to get tedious reading posts from people upset with these realities. They came exclusively from people who'd gone those routes and were defending their decisions after the fact.

It's very fair. The degrees are inferior. This isn't my opinion; it's a fact.

You're conflating opinion with fact.

But if that degree is not acceptable in some situations where a degree at that level and in that subject area is required, then it is inferior.

You're conflating hypothetical circumstance-specific utility issues with inferiority.

Degrees from diploma mills ARE inferior, too. Completely. They fail to give the purchaser either an education or a degree. Just a co-conspirator fashioning a lie. Are propio degrees diploma mill products? Of course not. 

This is an odd amalgamation of the topic of diploma mills and propio degrees, particularly since you acknowledged that propio degrees are not diploma mill products...

Similar concerns arise when discussing DEAC and other non-regionally accredited schools. The degrees are inferior because they do not perform in some situations where an accredited degree is required.

This too is a mismatch. Specificity of terms is important here, because in situations where simply "an accredited degree is required" almost any accredited degree can do. It's only if the terms are specified as "regionally accredited degree required" that things would change, but that's something I rarely ever see anymore. That doesn't mean that it still isn't being required in the background, it's just that it isn't said much anymore. 

But in general, the reason your comparison here doesn't work is because a foreign degree that is accompanied by a positive foreign credential evaluation is widely accepted by schools and most employers who ask for such evaluations (and most employers accept them without one).

The majority of propio programs are offered by accredited universities, not independent teaching schools. For that reason alone, the idea that they are inherently inferior doesn't pass. One of the reasons universities do this is to serve the population of people who are economically disadvantaged. Propios tend to be cheaper (often significantly so) because they don't have to go through the same approval processes and continued oversight that official degrees do, and that less expensive price attracts more students. There are schools that offer the exact same program twice with one being a propio, and one being official, with the only difference being the price (propio being lower of course). I've also seen schools (even teaching schools) offering propios so deep and with thesis + publishing requirements that they would make the average American's head spin.

In short, you're trying to paint something that is very diverse and has many components all with the same big brush.

[Sagan]

"You're conflating opinion with fact."

No, facts. There are times and situations where such a degree would be worthless.

I don't track personalities, so forgive me for asking, but are you either in a "propio" degree program or have completed one?

[wow]

Can people just stick to the topic of this thread? Would it be that hard? Robert Cavalier has 0 to do with propios and doesn't appear to be a degree mill, either, if by degree mill we mean what is usually meant on this board, which is "you send them money and they give you a thing that looks like a diploma with no papers or classes required" (this statement is NOT an invitation to argue about the definition of degree mill; if you want to do that, start a new thread).

Mods, what do you think?

[armstrongsubero]

The school is definately NOT a degree mill, I hope they get DEAC accredation, I left the program because the classes were synchronous and the timezone wasn't aligning with me...

[bjcheung77]

Hmm, you can always look at Coursera, EdX, and other MOOC options that are inexpensive. And another option I would recommend is Woolf https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...ngineering