State schools vs. other options

[MDela3]

CLEPs are CLEPs. They've existed for decades before you were born: 1967, in fact. They do, currently, have ACE credit recommendations, but they also existed long before ACE was ever conceived and they do NOT go on ACE transcripts. They are their own thing. So, no, they do not count as ACE.

first of all you don't know when I was born.

two, you said ACE credits not ACE transcript. ACE transcripts are for non-college credits.

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On the topic of the Pell Grant being the 'magic bullet' - it is true the maximum Pell Grant is $6495, but most don't get the maximum. In fact most don't get qualify at all; only 1/3 of students qualify for any Pell Grant money (https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/TrendGenerator...nswer/8/35)

In regards to MDela3's statement "I noticed people come on this forum for many reasons and with limited research ability and only get information about degrees from 3 college options only." - that is simply false.  It is true that this forum does focus on the Big 3, they only make up half of the 'Specific College Discussion' categories on this forum. Although the focus is on earning credits and degrees through alternative methods (non-traditional college courses), it is not against traditional path. A perfect example of this, and one relevant to MDela3's own alma mater, is a post on advice of choosing CUNY vs TESU (a Big# school), and the response was overwhelmingly CUNY (https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...SU-BSBA-GM). I chose this post because even though it is a bit dated (2020) it is very clear right from the thread title; the message is not uncommon, but the thread titles are rarely so clear. Also MDela3 seems to be very pro state school, and since two of the three Big3 are just that (state schools), I'm not sure where their (MDela3) hostility is coming from.

This forum is also pro-employer paying educational expense options, it is encouraged to share any news of an employer paid program (example: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...es-Degrees). Tuition assistance from employers is just not an option for many (https://www.instride.com/insights/tuitio...statistics), especially at the undergraduate degree level (as many jobs at employers who offer the assistance primarily have jobs that require, or prefer, those with a bachelor to begin with).

If you actually read through all my posts, I am not pro-state school. That is a claim you are making to try to strengthen your stance. Also, CUNY vs TESU thread by another OP is overwhelming CUNY because he asked between the two and we gave him our stance with supporting evidence. Where is the problem in this? 

Hostility where? Have you read all my posts? If so, you will see that I have been quite polite.

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It breaks my heart when people go for these for-profit private institutions instead of considering online state schools. There are so many other options for you. University of the People, WGU, Capella and many more are low quality institutions. As someone who was looking for an affordable online degree program with required accreditation and reputation, I came across many state schools who accomplished these three needs.

I am not sure what state you reside in but I work look into the online degree programs at your local public colleges.

U of the P and WGU are not for profit. 

Many state schools do not accept ACE credit. Many state school are also expensive compared to WGU and UMPI. In my state the fees are almost as much as the tuition on some campuses. I just looked at one of my state schools and it's almost $4500 for a full time semester. Another state school is over $4500 per semester. You're locked into a semester based program and 12-18 credits as well. There's also VERY limited options with many state school's online offerings. Their programs are also designed to be completed over 4 years.

I have already addressed this and addressed you in the other forum where the thread was deleted or changed. I am not repeating myself here.

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The only mention or reference is made in the last sentence where I clearly state they are "low quality institutions" not for-profit institutions.[/size]

You were directly replying, and even quoted, someone talking about UoPeople -- then said it broke your heart when people reply to "these" for-profits. No for-profit was mentioned in the post you were replying too. You were clearly implying UoPeople was for-profit, then tried to lump it and WGU with Capella. There would be no reason to mention for-profit otherwise, since they weren't being discussed. It's okay to admit you were wrong, the backpedalling is childish.

Again clearly you suffer from poor reading comprehension skills and poor critical thinking skills.

[rachel83az]

CLEPs are CLEPs. They've existed for decades before you were born: 1967, in fact. They do, currently, have ACE credit recommendations, but they also existed long before ACE was ever conceived and they do NOT go on ACE transcripts. They are their own thing. So, no, they do not count as ACE.

first of all you don't know when I was born.

two, you said ACE credits not ACE transcript. ACE transcripts are for non-college credits.

Yes, I did say ACE credits. Schools that accept CLEP exams do so in spite of any ACE recommendations they may have, not because of them.

ACE transcripts are for ACE credits.

[MDela3]

On the topic of the Pell Grant being the 'magic bullet' - it is true the maximum Pell Grant is $6495, but most don't get the maximum. In fact most don't get qualify at all; only 1/3 of students qualify for any Pell Grant money (https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/TrendGenerator...nswer/8/35)

In regards to MDela3's statement "I noticed people come on this forum for many reasons and with limited research ability and only get information about degrees from 3 college options only." - that is simply false.  It is true that this forum does focus on the Big 3, they only make up half of the 'Specific College Discussion' categories on this forum. Although the focus is on earning credits and degrees through alternative methods (non-traditional college courses), it is not against traditional path. A perfect example of this, and one relevant to MDela3's own alma mater, is a post on advice of choosing CUNY vs TESU (a Big# school), and the response was overwhelmingly CUNY (https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...SU-BSBA-GM). I chose this post because even though it is a bit dated (2020) it is very clear right from the thread title; the message is not uncommon, but the thread titles are rarely so clear. Also MDela3 seems to be very pro state school, and since two of the three Big3 are just that (state schools), I'm not sure where their (MDela3) hostility is coming from.

This forum is also pro-employer paying educational expense options, it is encouraged to share any news of an employer paid program (example: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...es-Degrees). Tuition assistance from employers is just not an option for many (https://www.instride.com/insights/tuitio...statistics), especially at the undergraduate degree level (as many jobs at employers who offer the assistance primarily have jobs that require, or prefer, those with a bachelor to begin with).

Just like I don't know everyone circumstances, neither do you. You can't speak for everyone here. ONLY yourself. Those who do qualify for FIN AID should consider all their avenues and speak to FAFSA reps and look at community college as a first option. 

I think people should apply to FIN AID even if they don't think they qualify. See if they can get waiver for their circumstances. I know that if your income changes, you can get a waiver. I know that if you are disabled you get a waiver. All this has to been done at the school's fin aid office tho.  

Thank you for the encouragement :-) I am happy to help when I can. 

If there is any NYS residents on this board, who need assistance please reach to me via PM. So, I can connect you to a plethora of resources for grants, internships, employment opportunities. 

--> Full Scholarship for NYS residents at CUNY/SUNY schools making less than 125k a year - The Excelsior Scholarship 
--> NYS TAP State Aid up to $4-5k a year - https://www.hesc.ny.gov/pay-for-college/...s-tap.html
--> COVID Grants Up to $1,500 per semester - https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ope/arp.html. and here too. https://www.tccd.edu/info-ribbon/coronav...ncy-grant/

---> CUNY Summer/Winter Course waivers - https://www.csi.cuny.edu/academics-and-r...aiver-faqs
---> CUNY SPS Scholarships - https://sps.cuny.edu/financial-aid-and-t...holarships

If anyone is interested in developing an affordable degree plan within CUNY/SUNY or learning more about CUNY SPS and my experience there, feel free to reach out as well. I am happy to help.

be well! 


_________________________________________________
Educational Experience:

AS in Computer Information Systems with a focus in Cybersecurity/Information Assurance - FLCC 2018
BS in Information Systems, minor in Business - CUNY SPS 2020 
MBA in Info Security Management/Cybersecurity - USF 2023

Certifications:
CCNA, CySA+, Associate of CISSP (CISSP pending until the experience requirement is met by 2023.)

Work Experience:
IT Help Desk Analyst > Network Engineer > SOC/NOC Analyst > SOC Lead

[dfrecore]

CLEPs are CLEPs. They've existed for decades before you were born: 1967, in fact. They do, currently, have ACE credit recommendations, but they also existed long before ACE was ever conceived and they do NOT go on ACE transcripts. They are their own thing. So, no, they do not count as ACE.

I'm going to disagree with this, in spite of the fact that I think the OP is...not being very nice (esp to jsd).

CLEP's are worth college credit BECAUSE of ACE.  So are DSST exams. So are AP exams.  Otherwise, why would they spend the money to get ACE-recommendations in the first place?

Some schools only accept CLEP/DSST/AP because of the ACE-recommendation.  Most follow ACE in how many credits they give for exams.  AP has proven itself over the years, and now most school now accept them outside of ACE (meaning they would take them whether ACE was involved or not); many schools also have CLEP and/or DSST policies specifically, and don't discuss ACE.  But that doesn't mean that ACE didn't play a part in getting them accepted in the first place.


The Big 3 all follow ACE-recommendations for AP, CLEP and DSST with a few exceptions (where they give more credit than ACE recommends).  Many other schools do the same.  They may not mention ACE in their catalogs, but it's probably the reason they take these exams.

[MDela3]

Where is the original post from StoicJ? See the attachment.

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CLEPs are CLEPs. They've existed for decades before you were born: 1967, in fact. They do, currently, have ACE credit recommendations, but they also existed long before ACE was ever conceived and they do NOT go on ACE transcripts. They are their own thing. So, no, they do not count as ACE.

I'm going to disagree with this, in spite of the fact that I think the OP is...not being very nice (esp to jsd).

CLEP's are worth college credit BECAUSE of ACE.  So are DSST exams. So are AP exams.  Otherwise, why would they spend the money to get ACE-recommendations in the first place?

Some schools only accept CLEP/DSST/AP because of the ACE-recommendation.  Most follow ACE in how many credits they give for exams.  AP has proven itself over the years, and now most school now accept them outside of ACE (meaning they would take them whether ACE was involved or not); many schools also have CLEP and/or DSST policies specifically, and don't discuss ACE.  But that doesn't mean that ACE didn't play a part in getting them accepted in the first place.


The Big 3 all follow ACE-recommendations for AP, CLEP and DSST with a few exceptions (where they give more credit than ACE recommends).  Many other schools do the same.  They may not mention ACE in their catalogs, but it's probably the reason they take these exams.

I am not the OP. There was an original post that seems like it was taken down and this one was created.

Am not being nice or am I just making sense?

[ss20ts]

Again clearly you suffer from poor reading comprehension skills and poor critical thinking skills.

Right here you ARE being rude. You're not being pleasant like you claim at all.

[rachel83az]

I split the thread because it no longer made sense to continue the discussion in the original thread. It had very little to do with StoicJ's decision (or not) to attend UoPeople.

[ss20ts]

Just like I don't know everyone circumstances, neither do you. You can't speak for everyone here. ONLY yourself. Those who do qualify for FIN AID should consider all their avenues and speak to FAFSA reps and look at community college as a first option. 

I think people should apply to FIN AID even if they don't think they qualify. See if they can get waiver for their circumstances. I know that if your income changes, you can get a waiver. I know that if you are disabled you get a waiver. All this has to been done at the school's fin aid office tho.  

Thank you for the encouragement :-) I am happy to help when I can. 

If there is any NYS residents on this board, who need assistance please reach to me via PM. So, I can connect you to a plethora of resources for grants, internships, employment opportunities. 

--> Full Scholarship for NYS residents at CUNY/SUNY schools making less than 125k a year - The Excelsior Scholarship 
--> NYS TAP State Aid up to $4-5k a year - https://www.hesc.ny.gov/pay-for-college/...s-tap.html
--> COVID Grants Up to $1,500 per semester - https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ope/arp.html. and here too. https://www.tccd.edu/info-ribbon/coronav...ncy-grant/

---> CUNY Summer/Winter Course waivers - https://www.csi.cuny.edu/academics-and-r...aiver-faqs
---> CUNY SPS Scholarships - https://sps.cuny.edu/financial-aid-and-t...holarships

If anyone is interested in developing an affordable degree plan within CUNY/SUNY or learning more about CUNY SPS and my experience there, feel free to reach out as well. I am happy to help.

be well! 


_________________________________________________
Educational Experience:

AS in Computer Information Systems with a focus in Cybersecurity/Information Assurance - FLCC 2018
BS in Information Systems, minor in Business - CUNY SPS 2020 
MBA in Info Security Management/Cybersecurity - USF 2023

Certifications:
CCNA, CySA+, Associate of CISSP (CISSP pending until the experience requirement is met by 2023.)

Work Experience:
IT Help Desk Analyst > Network Engineer > SOC/NOC Analyst > SOC Lead

I live in NYS. I do NOT qualify for ANY of these programs. No one I know does except for a partial TAP award. The Excelsior scholarship is a joke. Do some research on it. News channels across the state have and only a fraction of students are eligible for the program.

[MDela3]

Again clearly you suffer from poor reading comprehension skills and poor critical thinking skills.

Right here you ARE being rude. You're not being pleasant like you claim at all.

See, that is your perception. It is evident that the person is suffering from reading comprehension skills and poor critical thinking skills if they are not understanding that I never made a reference to what they claim. I think it is rude to try to twist someone else words or to twist data to make their stance seem more credible. So, I can say the same to many on here too. But, I think you are only highlighting my words to distract from the larger discussion we were having. 

It's all good. Be well! 

[ss20ts]

Again clearly you suffer from poor reading comprehension skills and poor critical thinking skills.

Right here you ARE being rude. You're not being pleasant like you claim at all.

See, that is your perception. It is evident that the person is suffering from reading comprehension skills and poor critical thinking skills if they are not understanding that I never made a reference to what they claim. I think it is rude to try to twist someone else words or to twist data to make their stance seem more credible. So, I can say the same to many on here too. But, I think you are only highlighting my words to distract from the larger discussion we were having. 

It's all good. Be well! 

Think what you want. Others have said you're not being pleasant as well. Go enjoy your CUNY degree.