Technical Courses - TESC (credit transfer)

[ncpenn]

Courses in AAS and AOS degrees when offered for college credit through a regionally accredited college WILL TRANSFER into TESC.

Nobody is arguing that. WCTC told TESC in my case that the courses I took weren't on a par with associate-level coursework (not true, by the way).

Just because some TESC employee sent an email, that means nothing.

Not entirely true. It means I don't get to use those credits unless I'm willing to invest time in fighting it. But instead of that, I just did the 27 FEMA courses TESC gives credit for.

if you believe what was sent, and don't want to question it, that's fine.

Nope. I don't believe it, but TESC and WCTC are hard to work with. I decided not to bother.

You're promoting myths, and AAS/AOS credit is already tricky enough for most people to navigate.

Nope, we're not. This had nothing to do with associates degrees. I've never said anything about an associates degree from a RA school not transferring.

I'm intimately aware of AAS and AOS requirements and transfer guidelines.

Agreed,

[ncpenn]

By the way, here's a link to the Carpentry program I took that had all the credits disallowed by TESC. The interesting thing is that there is a link on the page talking about how the credits can transfer into the University of Wisconsin . . .

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EDIT: I just got back from WCTC (I live close). I got in front of 2 people in records, and asked them if the Building Trades - Carpentry program was a credit program. They said yes, it is. I pressed the point further and asked, "So, this isn't like some 'improve your life', non-credit course?"

No, they said. It's a fully credited course.

So, I asked, why a school wouldn't take it in transfer. Why would they say the courses that made up the program weren't on a par with associate level school work.

And they said . . . because it's not on a level with associate-level school work.

Whoa, what?

I said, "It's a full 28 credit program, but the credits aren't 'associate-level' credits. What are they then?"

"They are 'technical-level' credits. They don't have the full rigor of associate-level work," they said.

"Okay," I said. "Where does it say that in the catalog?"

They went and got a catalog, and they couldn't find it (I can't either). But, they insisted that there is a kind of credit from a regionally-accredited school that isn't worth anything in transfer (and it's called a technical credit).

I have to admit, I'm annoyed that they don't say this anywhere. I might not have taken that program if I knew that . . . and what makes it so tricky is this wasn't non-credit coursework.

[sanantone]

They should have numbered the courses with a zero like they do with developmental courses.

[cookderosa]

By the way, here's a link to the Carpentry program I took that had all the credits disallowed by TESC. The interesting thing is that there is a link on the page talking about how the credits can transfer into the University of Wisconsin . . .

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EDIT: I just got back from WCTC (I live close). I got in front of 2 people in records, and asked them if the Building Trades - Carpentry program was a credit program. They said yes, it is. I pressed the point further and asked, "So, this isn't like some 'improve your life', non-credit course?"

No, they said. It's a fully credited course.

So, I asked, why a school wouldn't take it in transfer. Why would they say the courses that made up the program weren't on a par with associate level school work.

And they said . . . because it's not on a level with associate-level school work.

Whoa, what?

I said, "It's a full 28 credit program, but the credits aren't 'associate-level' credits. What are they then?"

"They are 'technical-level' credits. They don't have the full rigor of associate-level work," they said.

"Okay," I said. "Where does it say that in the catalog?"

They went and got a catalog, and they couldn't find it (I can't either). But, they insisted that there is a kind of credit from a regionally-accredited school that isn't worth anything in transfer (and it's called a technical credit).

I have to admit, I'm annoyed that they don't say this anywhere. I might not have taken that program if I knew that . . . and what makes it so tricky is this wasn't non-credit coursework.

Ok, so now I understand. It's not "rigor" it's level. These courses are not 100 level or above, which would be the requirement for credit being transferred. This is the same as when people take ALEKS Beginning Algebra. It's credit, but not toward their degree because it's not 100 level or above.

[JohnnyHeck]

Cookderosa, I think I have a great test case for us concerning your general assertion that TESC will accept credits from an RA CC without regard to that CC's designation of the transferability of the course within it's own state system (with the exception of cleary designated remedial, CE, Diploma, or Certificate course work). My son's friend from Mt. San Antonio CC has applied to TESC. He has 60 credits from an AA-T within the CA CC system as fully transferable to a senior institution (CSU opiton 2). But in addition, he has 20+ additional credits from work in a previous fully accredited CC 60 hr AA program called Graphics Arts. I'll report back how many credits TESC gives him on his initial evaluation for any of the credits in this CA AA RA program that TESC automatically grants as transferable to their most generous BALS.

By the way, I'm certainly not disputing that any applicant should play dead on any initial evaluation. The TESC appeal process is quite transparent and friendly. I know you don't like the word, but it's still very "quirky" at times and may not neatly fit into any "outsider's" logical model. I will also look up how NC Culinary Arts transfers to NC senior institions. My guess would be that if they don't transfer in NC, they don't automatically transfer to TESC. If your Iowa program courses transfer to senior Iowa schools, then I would further hypothosize that these would automatically transfer to TESC. I think it's a crapshoot based on any "outsider's logical" assumptions.

Now of course. which you certainly know better than the rest of us, TESC does have pre-evaluations of many "normally non-credit programs" where-in they do grant credit automatically upon your presentation of certain program specific documentation. However, even here you may have to appeal to get it recognized. My same son's friend has originally applied for a BSAST in Respiratiory Therapy. According to the TESC catalog he is supposed to be automatically given 27 credits for his license as a Certified Respriatory Therapist. He submitted documentation of this license in accordance with the catalog, but his initial eval. gave him nada of credit. It's potentially a muddy issue because the "coursework" that led to his license was from only a Nationally Accredited school. Yet the catalog states very clearly that it's the license that yields the credit. Interesting - no? Stanby for reports on this appeal!

[cookderosa]

Cookderosa, I think I have a great test case for us concerning your general assertion that TESC will accept credits from an RA CC without regard to that CC's designation of the transferability of the course within it's own state system (with the exception of cleary designated remedial, CE, Diploma, or Certificate course work). My son's friend from Mt. San Antonio CC has applied to TESC. He has 60 credits from an AA-T within the CA CC system as fully transferable to a senior institution (CSU opiton 2). But in addition, he has 20+ additional credits from work in a previous fully accredited CC 60 hr AA program called Graphics Arts. I'll report back how many credits TESC gives him on his initial evaluation for any of the credits in this CA AA RA program that TESC automatically grants as transferable to their most generous BALS.

By the way, I'm certainly not disputing that any applicant should play dead on any initial evaluation. The TESC appeal process is quite transparent and friendly. I know you don't like the word, but it's still very "quirky" at times and may not neatly fit into any "outsider's" logical model. I will also look up how NC Culinary Arts transfers to NC senior institions. My guess would be that if they don't transfer in NC, they don't automatically transfer to TESC. If your Iowa program courses transfer to senior Iowa schools, then I would further hypothosize that these would automatically transfer to TESC. I think it's a crapshoot based on any "outsider's logical" assumptions.

Now of course. which you certainly know better than the rest of us, TESC does have pre-evaluations of many "normally non-credit programs" where-in they do grant credit automatically upon your presentation of certain program specific documentation. However, even here you may have to appeal to get it recognized. My same son's friend has originally applied for a BSAST in Respiratiory Therapy. According to the TESC catalog he is supposed to be automatically given 27 credits for his license as a Certified Respriatory Therapist. He submitted documentation of this license in accordance with the catalog, but his initial eval. gave him nada of credit. It's potentially a muddy issue because the "coursework" that led to his license was from only a Nationally Accredited school. Yet the catalog states very clearly that it's the license that yields the credit. Interesting - no? Stanby for reports on this appeal!

Specific to my SCC program, those courses are at or above 100 level. All culinary courses from any RA school would come in as free electives at TESC in all majors except for a few in the restaurant management option. NC culinary will be the same. First you look at accreditation (RA- check) then you look at division (applied science vs arts and science) and then you look at level (100 or higher). Those three criteria are how your credits are evaluated based on the degree your choosing and whether or not they are being classified as gen eds, in major, or electives.

[JohnnyHeck]

Just to be sure what you mean, NC RA CC Culinary Arts classes in Applied Science above the 100 level would be accepted and classified at TESC as at least elecives if TESC degree appropriate - yes?

[cookderosa]

Just to be sure what you mean, NC RA CC Culinary Arts classes in Applied Science above the 100 level would be accepted and classified at TESC as at least elecives if TESC degree appropriate - yes?

FREE electives, not general education electives, but yes; as long as there are open slots in the person's free elective slot.