ENEB New Master Thread

[eLearner]

I would think that's better than having to present an MBA or Master's, or MBA + Master's from ENEB, with a Universidad Isabel I diploma, with an ECE Evalutation, as an equivalent to a Bachelor's. (It's a lot of explaining to do, isn't it?)

This is why I'm not a fan of the doubles because of the way they're put together. To me, it just looks most normal to do one degree at a time. Double majors are a thing in the United States, it's just that the composition is different. For immigration purposes, none of this will matter. But for employment, having double this, double that, or 3-5 Master's degrees from a foreign school listed is likely to get your resume tossed. The optics of that will be taken as weird by a lot of employers in countries where that's not a normal thing.

[muhammadabs]

I want to earn a bachelor’s degree by having an ENEB degree evaluated by ECE. Is that possible?
Has anyone had recent experience with this and can share advice?
Also, should I choose the Agile program for $320 a single master, or are there cheaper and faster alternatives?

Welcome to the Forum and congrats on your first post!
 There is a Template in Degree-planning-section. If you could give that information it would help a lot: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...Area-works

And did you have a look at the wiki? That might also be a good ressource for you: 
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB

Maybe that gives you a clue. And what BA do you want to obtain? What can you invest - beside ENEB?

Thank you for the warm welcome and for sharing those links they’ve been very helpful.

I’m 25, based in Egypt, and currently working full-time. I’m committed to advancing my career, which is why I’m fully dedicated to earning a bachelor’s degree in Business and Project Management.

My budget is limited, so I was initially planning to enroll at UMPI and have already completed 119 credits through Sophia.org. However, someone recently recommended the ENEB pathway. I’ve seen mixed feedback some people say they successfully had their degree evaluated by ECE, while others didn’t, so I’m feeling a bit uncertain.

And I really need your help, is the Agile test the best option in my case?
Or
Are there any more cost effective options available?

Thank you in advance for your guidance.

I was not even familiar with UMPI until it was mentioned here.  It looks like you have already invested a lot of time and effort into 119 credits at Sophia.org.  Why waste them?  If you can transfer all 119 credits to UMPI and complete a Bachelor's there with a reasonable cost, I would think that's better than having to present an MBA or Master's, or MBA + Master's from ENEB, with a Universidad Isabel I diploma, with an ECE Evalutation, as an equivalent to a Bachelor's. (It's a lot of explaining to do, isn't it?)

That's just my opinion. Despite of what I have already done and currently am doing, I plan on eventually doing a standalone Bachelor's for my own satisfaction. I would suggest getting a Bachelor's on its own.

ENEB Tuition + Agile Methodology + Apostille + Evaluation adds up, and it isn't so inexpensive after all

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Yes, ENEB is registered in the Spanish Registry of Training Entities and is a member of the Spanish Alliance of Training - per our ENEB diplomas which have a certificate registration number.  But that doesn't make them a degree-awarding institution, as they are not a university. 

I think we've all been sure for 5+ years of this discussion that ENEB is not itself accredited and is not a university. I'm just saying that I do not recall the actual Spanish law stating that an unaccredited school was not allowed to award its own degrees. I know I've seen some diplomas from other unaccredited schools in Spain that were not written as certificates.

If someone can bring up the exact law directly from the Spanish government, that would be helpful.

I am no expert on Spain's Education Law, but here's what comes up:

"Spanish law prohibits the existence of "unaccredited" universities; any institution offering university-level education must comply with the Organic Law of the University System (LOSU) or be dissolved. This requires institutions to meet quality standards and have their degrees recognized by the national authorities, including the Ministry of Universities and the National Agency for Quality Assessment and Accreditation (ANECA), to ensure they are not just "academies" or private institutions that aren't universities"

https://www.google.com/search?q=spanish+...e&ie=UTF-8

My point is that ENEB is not a university, thus it is not an unaccredited university. ENEB is a registered training center, it would fall under the definition of an "academy" thus it does not confer degrees of any kind. An academy is also called a school, but a school cannot confer a degree unless it is a university.

From what I can tell, ENEB does not issue any degrees, they are training certificates, Ui1 then certifies the completed training with ECTS and issues a Ui1 Diploma as an indirect Titulo Propio.

UMPI costs 1700$ per subscription, plus the application fees, translation and evaluation. 
And I might not be able to complete it within a single subscription
. So overall, it could end up costing around $2,000–$3,700, and take 4-6 months, which is quite a lot for me at the moment.

I definitely plan to get it later especially after all the work I’ve already done on Sophia but right now, I just need any degree that’s as affordable and fast as possible.

[cacoleman1983]

I just wanted to confirm that IEE would still consider the validation scheme for the MBA from UNISEB with the Universidad Isabel I transcript as a “titulo propio” and thus the equivalency from them is still an accredited graduate certificate.

Thus, the only benefit of this validation is getting the Universidad Isabel I transcript itself as I figured out earlier for evaluators that are blacklisting ENEB although the “Titulo Propio” status doesn’t change.  

Future students may have to depend on these add-ons and validations as ENEB alone will get blacklisted and/or not evaluated by more foreign credential evaluators.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

I would think that's better than having to present an MBA or Master's, or MBA + Master's from ENEB, with a Universidad Isabel I diploma, with an ECE Evalutation, as an equivalent to a Bachelor's. (It's a lot of explaining to do, isn't it?)

This is why I'm not a fan of the doubles because of the way they're put together. To me, it just looks most normal to do one degree at a time. Double majors are a thing in the United States, it's just that the composition is different. For immigration purposes, none of this will matter. But for employment, having double this, double that, or 3-5 Master's degrees from a foreign school listed is likely to get your resume tossed. The optics of that will be taken as weird by a lot of employers in countries where that's not a normal thing.

Yes I didn't know the "Double" was going to be issued as a "single".  A Double Major and a Dual Degree are slghtly different in the US however. Dual degrees actually involve 2 separate degrees.  It looks like ENEB Doubles are treated simply as double majors by FCEs.  I would personally not do an ENEB Double if I had to do it over again

[eLearner]

I am no expert on Spain's Education Law, but here's what comes up:

"Spanish law prohibits the existence of "unaccredited" universities; any institution offering university-level education must comply with the Organic Law of the University System (LOSU) or be dissolved. This requires institutions to meet quality standards and have their degrees recognized by the national authorities, including the Ministry of Universities and the National Agency for Quality Assessment and Accreditation (ANECA), to ensure they are not just "academies" or private institutions that aren't universities"

https://www.google.com/search?q=spanish+...e&ie=UTF-8

My point is that ENEB is not a university, thus it is not an unaccredited university. ENEB is a registered training center, it would fall under the definition of an "academy" thus it does not confer degrees of any kind. An academy is also called a school, but a school cannot confer a degree unless it is a university.

From what I can tell, ENEB does not issue any degrees, they are training certificates, Ui1 then certifies the completed training with ECTS and issues a Ui1 Diploma as an indirect Titulo Propio.

I'm not sure I would trust Google AI on that one. I did read a similar thing from it the other day, but I don't recall the term "unaccredited" or its Spanish equivalent being used in the Spanish law for this but I may just not be remembering. I mean, I have read the law on this a bunch of times in the past from an official source, I just can't remember what it all said. If I find it, I'll post it word for word for clarity.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

I just wanted to confirm that IEE would still consider the validation scheme for the MBA from UNISEB with the Universidad Isabel I transcript as a “titulo propio” and thus the equivalency from them is still an accredited graduate certificate.

Thus, the only benefit of this validation is getting the Universidad Isabel I transcript itself as I figured out earlier for evaluators that are blacklisting ENEB although the “Titulo Propio” status doesn’t change.  

Future students may have to depend on these add-ons and validations in the future as ENEB alone will get blacklisted by more foreign credential evaluators.

Sure, from what I have confirmed, it will still be a Titulo Propio (University-specific degree). What they are saying is that previously, we received a certification from Ui1 for the ENEB training, thus no direct transcript from Ui1.  Instead of a certification from Isabel I, we are getting a Validation from UNISEB (ISEB + Ui1).
With the UNISEB Validation, it results in a Titulo Propio issued directly by Universidad Isabel I.  

All this remains to be seen still, as this process kicks off in Mid October.  I've called out that the ISEB brochures in Spanish, for UNISEB programs show 2 certificates, one from ISEB that shows both ISEB and Universidad Isabel I, and an Isabel 1 Diploma we already have.

On the ISEB Website there are UNISEB programs, as well as ISEB programs. There does seem to be a difference between the two, but neither is quite like this "Convalidation"
ISEB program brochures show an ISEB certificate, and a Ui1 Diploma (Something familiar to ENEB graduates)

I have been told that through this "convalidation" process for ENEB MBA graduates, we will be receiving the diploma shown on the landing page
https://eneb.com/convunisebusd/

[KSoul]

Feel like I’m circling a bit on the best approach for getting TESU RA credits through the ENEB degrees.

My brother has completed his Double Degree (MBA & Big Data); he has both his ENEB transcripts and the Universidad Isabel I certificate.

Does he still need to pay the $560 for UNISEB for ECE approval, or is the UNISEB step unnecessary if the only goal is transferring RA credits to TESU?

[bjcheung77]

Feel like I’m circling a bit on the best approach for getting TESU RA credits through the ENEB degrees.

My brother has completed his Double Degree (MBA & Big Data); he has both his ENEB transcripts and the Universidad Isabel I certificate.

Does he still need to pay the $560 for UNISEB for ECE approval, or is the UNISEB step unnecessary if the only goal is transferring RA credits to TESU?

How long did it take him to do both? I would just get the ECE as is, you don't need the UNISEB.

[KSoul]

Feel like I’m circling a bit on the best approach for getting TESU RA credits through the ENEB degrees.

My brother has completed his Double Degree (MBA & Big Data); he has both his ENEB transcripts and the Universidad Isabel I certificate.

Does he still need to pay the $560 for UNISEB for ECE approval, or is the UNISEB step unnecessary if the only goal is transferring RA credits to TESU?

OK, this is how I understand it: when he submits documents to ECE, he should provide only the Universidad Isabel I certificate and Universidad Isabel I transcripts, leaving out the ENEB documents? He hasn’t received the diploma/transcripts from Universidad Isabel I, and from what I’ve read, this process can take some time.

As for how long the program took him, I’m not entirely sure, but he moved through it quite efficiently. With the removal of the quizzes, the program is designed for speed if you’re a strong writer. His overall average score was 9.6, with his lowest course score of 9.0. What really helped was the quick grading turnaround: the longest wait was two days, and often in Germany, he would submit an assignment at night and wake up to a grade the next morning, or at the latest by midday.

It should be noted that he can devote full time to school at this stage of his life, so he often moves through assignments at a rapid pace.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

Feel like I’m circling a bit on the best approach for getting TESU RA credits through the ENEB degrees.

My brother has completed his Double Degree (MBA & Big Data); he has both his ENEB transcripts and the Universidad Isabel I certificate.

Does he still need to pay the $560 for UNISEB for ECE approval, or is the UNISEB step unnecessary if the only goal is transferring RA credits to TESU?

From the conversation started yesterday on this thread, it is highly unliekly that we need the convalidation for an ECE Evaluation, as I will try to explain below:

My very recent ECE evaluation was done on July 9 as an RA Equivalent Bachelor's degree in Business Aministration, and Finance
On the 1-page report it lists Isabel I, and below it is ENEB as a Non-Credit Study

From yesterday's post by @JC39 - the messages from ECE, would indicate that they were simply talking about the ENEB section, not about Isabel I.
It sounded very much as if the person had ENEB email ECE with ENEB Certificate and Transcript (which ECE does not evaluate anyway).
For the ECE Evaluation, we are supposed to upload the Ui1 Diploma, as it is for Spain, and it has a QR Code with CSV code. 

Even if ENEB did send a Ui1 Diploma, ENEB Certificate, and ENEB Transcript, we are supposed to request an Evaluation of the Ui1 Diploma and upload it on the ECE portal.

ECE also offered to leave ENEB off the evaluation report. It can mean that they can evaluate the Ui1 Diploma, but on the report ECE will not assess education credits for ENEB. Which is business as usual for ECE, this is nothing new.
 
ENEB Certificates do not have ECTS, only hours
Isabel I Diplomas have ECTS from the hours.

This part makes me think that JC39 didn't submit the Isabel I Diploma... 

Also JC39 wrote that "...I already transferred one global master and three double masters"
I have tried very dillegently to decipher the entire message, and I am not sure what the person meant by transferred.  

1. Had them evaluated elsewhere
2. Had ENEB send all of them to ECE
3. ECE had previously evaluated all of those (this seems highly unlikely)

Anyways maybe JC39 is very busy, beause YOUR SILENCE IS DEAFENING to me

This would help a lot of people if you could clarify - thanks

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From the conversation started yesterday on this thread, it is highly unlikely that we need the convalidation for an ECE Evaluation, as I will try to explain below:

My very recent ECE evaluation was done on July 9 as an RA Equivalent Bachelor's degree in Business Administration and Finance
On the 1-page report, it lists Isabel I, and below it is ENEB as a Non-Credit Study

From yesterday's post by @JC39 - the messages from ECE, would indicate that they were simply talking about the ENEB section, not about Isabel I.
It sounded very much as if the person had ENEB email ECE with ENEB Certificate and Transcript (which ECE does not evaluate anyway).
For the ECE Evaluation, we are supposed to upload the Ui1 Diploma, as it is for Spain, and it has a QR Code with CSV code.

Even if ENEB did send a Ui1 Diploma, ENEB Certificate, and ENEB Transcript, we are supposed to request an Evaluation of the Ui1 Diploma and upload it on the ECE portal.

From JC39's post, ECE also offered to leave ENEB off the evaluation report. It can mean that they can evaluate the Ui1 Diploma, but on the report, ECE will not assess education credits for ENEB, which is business as usual for ECE, this is nothing new.

ENEB Certificates do not have ECTS, only hours
Isabel I Diplomas have ECTS from the hours.

This part makes me think again that JC39 didn't submit the Isabel I Diploma...

Also JC39 wrote that "...I already transferred one global master and three double masters"
I have tried very dillegently to decipher the entire message, and I am not sure what the person meant by transferred.  

1. Had them evaluated elsewhere
2. Had ENEB send all of them to ECE
3. ECE had previously evaluated all of those (this seems highly unlikely)

Anyway, maybe JC39 is very busy, because the SILENCE IS DEAFENING to me

This would help a lot of people if person could clarify - thanks