European International University

[Sagan]

ASIC "accreditation" does not, in any way nor anywhere, grant status as a recognized degree-granting institution.

IEE is one--ONE--evaluation agency that has decided to accept ACBSP accreditation.

EIU is not a university in France. It is not a university anywhere.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

ASIC "accreditation" does not, in any way nor anywhere, grant status as a recognized degree-granting institution.

IEE is one--ONE--evaluation agency that has decided to accept ACBSP accreditation.

EIU is not a university in France. It is not a university anywhere.

IEE has accepted ASIC UK accreditation when it comes to EIU degrees - screenshots of such evaluations have been uploaded here 4 times. EIU itself has shown others on their Linkedin announcements. Nobody has asserted that ASIC UK accreditation grants status as a given country's offical degree granting institution.

Most of the IEE Evaluations we have become aware of for EIU did not have ACBSP for the degrees that were evaluated.

I have repeated myself too many times from January to July of this year about IEE evaluations of EIU degrees that were positive WITHOUT having ACBSP programmatic accreditation for the degrees.

[Sagan]

One obscure foreign credential evaluation agency. It would be foolish to rely on that in any situation where a successful evaluation is necessary.

Continuing to cite ASIC is disingenous. It has nothing to do with the salient point that degrees from this business are widely rejected.

Notice I'm not challenging a single assertion you've made. But your assessments are irresponsible. Degrees from EIU are the same as degrees from Walmart, McDonald's, or any other business that is not a university.

I would recommend pursuing a degree from ANY university recognized by its national government over this approach. The opportunities to do so are myriad and involve none of the rationalizations we read here.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

One obscure foreign credential evaluation agency. It would be foolish to rely on that in any situation where a successful evaluation is necessary.

Continuing to cite ASIC is disingenous. It has nothing to do with the salient point that degrees from this business are widely rejected.

Notice I'm not challenging a single assertion you've made. But your assessments are irresponsible. Degrees from EIU are the same as degrees from Walmart, McDonald's, or any other business that is not a university.

I would recommend pursuing a degree from ANY university recognized by its national government over this approach. The opportunities to do so are myriad and involve none of the rationalizations we read here.

Thanks for the recommendation. An official degree from Spain, a UK degree awarded under Royal Charter, a French national diploma, or any university recognized by its national government is certainly a more established and conventional pathway than alternative credentials. It makes sense to pursue those opportunities first and foremost where they are available.

I also did not make any assessments. I simply shared documented credential evaluation outcomes and supporting evidence. As for ASIC, I only stated factual information: that it is listed by CHEA and recognized by UKVI. Nobody is suggesting that ASIC UK is on the same level as the likes of the Middle States Commission, AACSB, WSCUC, or DEAC. 

ACBSP might not be the most prestigious business accreditor, but a well-established institution such as National University holds institutional accreditation from WSCUC and also maintains several specialized accreditations, including ABET and ACBSP. Does the presence of ACBSP make National University's MBA substandard? Does it diminish the value of the degree? I would argue that it does not. National University is a long-established, fully accredited institution with a strong reputation.

At the same time, I don't go around criticizing ACBSP-accredited programs, ASIC UK- or BAC-accredited institutions, or the people who choose those pathways by labeling them or their qualifications as substandard. That's simply not my philosophy. In the private sector especially, I've found that capable people who apply themselves can often outperform graduates from more traditionally recognized institutions. I prefer to recognize and appreciate people by the quality of their work rather than solely by the educational pathway they followed.

At this point, there's plenty of information in these pages, including documented credential evaluations, for readers to consider. I think the advice to "make sure it meets your current and foreseeable future needs" is good advice regardless of which educational path someone chooses.

[Sagan]

This thread is filled with over-hyping what are tiny (ACBSP) or insignificant (ASIC) matters. They tend to distract from the main point that this business is not a university by any reasonable measure, and that finding niche exceptions does not negate that huge reality.

[eLearner]

@PearsonOTHMQualifi7654

ACBSP is second-tier under AACSB. IACBE would be third-tier. ACBSP is respectable and has a pretty good reach at this point.

ASIC has been a named institutional accreditor in some countries and that's a pretty big deal.

The UK Government has already stated that they're okay with ASIC's operations. There was a rumor that the UK Government is looking to officially recognize ASIC as an institutional accreditor with an international focus, but details are being ironed out. We'll see if that comes to fruition.

From what I can tell, there are people here and there who still have some kind of issue with ASIC, but none of them ever work in UK Government...

[Sagan]

No trouble with ASIC, but "accreditation" means something entirely different in the U.S.

Please name a country where ASIC accrediatation grants institutional recognition as a degree-granting institution.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

No trouble with ASIC, but "accreditation" means something entirely different in the U.S.

Please name a country where ASIC accrediatation grants institutional recognition as a degree-granting institution.

Accrediting bodies attest to the quality of the education, not legalize, authorize, nor award degree-granting status. Countries, through their respective education systems can recognize accreditors, but that would not supersede their laws about degree-granting authority.

Is there one accreditor that grants institutional recognition as a degree-granting institution? 

The following countries recognize ASIC as an accreditor:

• United Arab Emirates https://ipap.mohesr.gov.ae/Pages/Interna...Valid.aspx
  
• Thailand  https://www.onesqa.or.th/en/content-view/1218/4277/
  
• Kingdom of Jordan https://rce.mohe.gov.jo/Files/55-2023-en.pdf
  

Arguably, can also add the UK for Visas and Immigrations
https://www.gov.uk/visa-to-study-english/your-course

As for France, French Law determines who can grant degrees - Private Institutions, more specifically distance education centres, can award diplomas, certificates, and degrees under the French Education code under adherence to the following sets of rules, and thus function as a private degree-granting institution:

Chapter IV: Private institutions providing distance education. (Articles L444-1 to L444-11)
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/sec...0006166630

Chapter IV: Private institutions providing distance education. (Articles R444-1 to R444-28)
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/sec...0018379716

They effectively function as a private university under that set of laws, however: 
L731-14 of the French Education Code (Code de l'éducation) says no private institution may use the French term université, thus in France no private institution is a université
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/art...0027748361

Private institutions typically brand themselves using terms like école (school), institut (institute), or grande école (Big School) - however grand école are fully French State recognized and are on par with French public universités

Using the English term "College" or "University" is not unlawful under French Law.

[SteveFoerster]

No trouble with ASIC, but "accreditation" means something entirely different in the U.S.

Please name a country where ASIC accrediatation grants institutional recognition as a degree-granting institution.

That's a little unfair, since even in the US third party accreditors don't grant institutional recognition as a degree-granting institution per se.

But if I were to answer the spirit of the question rather than its letter, I suppose I'd say Thailand:

https://www.asic.org.uk/news/onesqa-asic...urance-mou

[Sagan]

"Accrediting bodies attest to the quality of the education, not legalize, authorize, nor award degree-granting status."

In the U.S., this is false. It is common for less-than-wonderful schools and their shills to use this dodge. Technically correct (in that it is the states who license schools), but the reality is that recognized accreditation determines what is and is not a recognized degree-granting institution.

At no point have I made any comments about EIU's quality of instruction, processes, prices, etc. I am merely pointing out that the degrees it issues will not stand up to scrutiny in ANY situation where the person making the decision is discerning.

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No trouble with ASIC, but "accreditation" means something entirely different in the U.S.

Please name a country where ASIC accrediatation grants institutional recognition as a degree-granting institution.

That's a little unfair, since even in the US third party accreditors don't grant institutional recognition as a degree-granting institution per se.

But if I were to answer the spirit of the question rather than its letter, I suppose I'd say Thailand:

https://www.asic.org.uk/news/onesqa-asic...urance-mou

Accreditation is the de facto process for recognizing degree-granting legitimacy in the U.S., even if the legal right to do so is derived from state governments. Since the 1970s, less-than-wonderful schools have been using this "it's legal" dodge. Just because it works for some people in some situtations doesn't make it either right or a good idea.

As for Thailand, it looks like they're partnering with ASIC to bolster their own oversight capabilities, but that's not the same as ASIC accreditation granting recognition to universities. I never said ASIC wasn't good at what they do, and I guess Thailand wanted their help.

The bottom line is that EIU is not a recognized university and will be deemed as such in the vast majority of situations where such a determination is made. We've seen the narrow exception with IEE, and that's about it.