11-11-2022, 05:24 AM
(11-06-2022, 12:41 PM)Personherebb9 Wrote:(11-06-2022, 12:19 PM)ss20ts Wrote:Aaah interesting... As I said, DBA's aren't any less of a doctorate than a PhD, however I feel like it has that public connotation. Once again, at least of my experience in South Africa, I am not able to speak on the reputation of a DBA in any country outside South Africa. Considering the OP is generally wanting to move up in the world of Higher Education, I think a PhD would be better suited, regardless of the reputation of DBA vs PhD. PhD's are known to be the golden standard for higher education, that's not to say that someone with a DBA is any less qualified to teach.(11-06-2022, 11:51 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: In regards to the University of Stellenbosch, I genuinely do believe that a PhD path is much better and generally will be considered to be a more "legit" doctorate than a DBA. Outside of the USA or Northern America, DBA's aren't a thing. In South Africa at least, I've never heard of a program or person that has a DBA. Not saying that a DBA is any less of a doctorate, however it is still fairly new and at least from personal experiences, it doesn't seem to hold the same level of respect. That is just from my own personal experience and I could very be wrong. I just think if you would like to stay in the realm of education and be more widely respected among your colleagues, I would honestly just go for a PhD.
https://www.waldenu.edu/programs/busines...management
For the most part PhDs can also be completed for much less than a DBA, since DBA's are only offered by a select few online universities.
Here is a general PhD management degree from UNISA (note that they have other business related degrees and all of them are priced exactly the same):
https://www.unisa.ac.za/sites/corporate/...80%93-BMA)
It's fees are as followed:
Research proposal R9 250 ($516,64)
Thesis R18 500 p/a. ($1033,28 p/a)
Meaning if you took two years to complete your PhD it would cost you $2583,2 in total.
That's well within a 1/4 your budget for a degree I believe would be internationally much more highly regarded in the realm of Academia. (At least from someone with a perspective that does not come from NA (North-America)).
Not to mention you would be getting a PhD from a top 1000 global University (Times Higher Education Ranking: 801), where other respected online schools such as TESU, Liberty University, Excelsior, Azteca, etc didn't even make the list.
Once again, this is all my opinion and you can take it as you want.
DBA's are NOT a new doctorate. The first DBA was issued in 1953 by Harvard University. They are legitimate doctorates. Just because they aren't something you've seen in South Africa doesn't mean that they are new or not available outside of North America. Again, DBA's are not just offered from a small number of schools online. Doctorate programs in general have a much lower number of offerings compared to bachelor's degrees and master's degrees. There are dozens of schools in the US which offer DBA's. PhD's in business administration are less common than a DBA in the US. This link will explain the differences and similarities between DBA's and PhD's.
https://business.fiu.edu/graduate/insigh...%20Harvard.
https://www.phdportal.com/articles/558/w...20journals.
From what I understand the OP is also not from NA and since I have no idea of their rules or stigmas in regards to DBA/PhD, I cannot truly give advice. My advice just comes from someone who knows for a fact that a South African university would most likely not even consider a professor candidate with a DBA. However since my view is biased towards South Africa, I really am not in the position to give advice to someone not from here.
However I find it interesting how DBA's fell in popularity in regards to PhD over the years. In my mind at least a "practical doctoral" would seem to cater towards a lot more people than your general PhD, which is usually just catered towards aspiring academics. You would think that DBA and other practical doctorates would take the cake for popularity. I wonder, besides the entire name confusion, if there were any other factors contributing to this.
(11-06-2022, 12:11 PM)Bob Sham Wrote: Thank you for your advice. I was informed to take a DBA if I am to continue lecturing the future. So I am not sure if PhD will suffice the requirement. In addition, the selection of DBA is assumed to be more on the practical approach which assist in my career development. I will write in to USB to check with them.Ah, okay. If you're wanting to get this doctorate for reasons such as Personal development outside of just the teaching prospective, I definitely would then recommend DBA over PhD. I find it weird that they asked you to get specifically a DBA? I've never heard of any university that requires lectors to have a professional doctorate over a PhD? What type of classes do you teach if I may ask? And where are you from?
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If you are certain on the DBA path, I am not aware of any immediate good options in terms of costs. DBAs seem to be on the higher end of degrees to attain. They have mentioned a few good ones above, however even that seems to fall outside of your price range. That's another reason why I thought PhD would be better than DBA, since they're generally much much cheaper to attain. Generally speaking DBA offerings seem to be mostly popular within the USA, hence why they are so expensive. Some other countries seem to offer some type of DBA, however I'm going to go ahead and assume those won't be any cheaper.
https://www.phdstudies.com/DBA/Europe/Di...-learning/
Europe seems to be the most gracious with cost, however only if you are a European citizen. They're not shy with their international student fees.
What masters do you currently have? How many years of teaching experience do you have? Have you considered attending a University full-time while being an assistant lector or something in those lines?
If you're REALLY set on DBA, I doubt you'll find a degree plan that perfectly suits your wants. $10 000 is a big ask for a Professional Doctorate, especially if you're looking at decently reputable USA institutions.
I see UNISA offers a DBL (Doctorate in Business Leadership) degree. While it's not a DBA, it should be the equivalent to one:
https://www.unisa.ac.za/sites/sbl/defaul...hip-degree
The total tuition for the degree seems to be R34 610 ($1933,08), I would just contact UNISA to ensure the finances and whether or not this degree requires any residency (in-person) aspects.
I wish you the best of luck on your search and I know you'll find something perfect for you!
Sry for this big quote spam. Horrible website for any real information;https://www.phdstudies.com/DBA/Europe/Distance-learning/ untrustworthy, pretty much every institution from this link is unaccredited, or you could call it what it is a modern EU diploma mill, renting an office and getting private accreditation with no real Institutional accrediation from the Ministry of Education ( for EU most important part) or Regional accreditation.( what is used in the USA)
I checked them out on national ministries webpage (KMU Akademie, International French University peeked my interest) and could not find them. Then i went to the German national repository for Institution (ANABIN) and could not find it over there also.
Mind you there is one we all know quite well on this forum on that list.
As for Upgrad's GGU partnership the people at GGU so far are silent on my emails, i might have to switch to a new email and ask. As of now i am waiting on a response if the GGU UpGrad degree (DBA) has any problems with the Online mode and it being outsourced to India from Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs (ECA) and the U.S. Department of Education.


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