ENEB Master Thread

[sanantone]

Did you forget to click the study? (the answer is Yep)– Let me help you with the research article that only favors your position if we are debating 2-year schools, which would be a silly and creative way to mislead the room. Even without the study, the data in the Forbes article should have caused you to want to dig deeper before posting.

'Out of the 467 closed institutions, the report considered, almost 50 percent were private for-profit two-year colleges, and 28 percent were private for-profit four-year colleges.'

Here's the study: https://sheeo.org/wp-content/uploads/202...eport1.pdf

Thanks for bringing the study to the forum, as it was enlightening.

LOL. Do you not know what overrepresented means? They are disproportionately represented among school closures. That means the percentage of school closures that involve for-profit institutions is higher than the percentage of colleges and universities that are for-profit. Yes, even 4-year for-profits are OVERREPRESENTED.

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Either Ksoul didn't actually look at the study, or they didn't comprehend what the figures meant. The report included simple, easy to understand graphics, so I'm not sure how a college-educated person could get confused.

https://ibb.co/ScpLXn1

49.9% of school closures involved 2-year for-profits 
28.1% of school closures involved 4-year for-profits 
17.8% of school closures involved 4-year nonprofits
3.4% if school closures involved 2-year nonprofits
0.9% of school closures involved public schools 

Now, which two categories have the highest share of school closures? I put them in descending order to make it easy to figure out.

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The hilarious part is that the study excluded schools that didn't participate in National Student Clearinghouse data collection. Guess which sector is the least likely to report to the National Student Clearinghouse. FOR-PROFITS!!! That means that for-profits were undercounted more than any other sector, and they still made up over three-quarters of school closures.

I think what has been lost is that my position was in the narrative that non-provide schools close at a high rate as well. The 4-year variance though meaningful in this study, highlights that 4-year non-profit schools are not a haven to closures vs. for-profit. And, the constant dig at ENEB is a personal agenda.

Side note: since a dig was taken, I am more than open to having fun with a case study analysis challenge whenever we both have a break in our schedules. Your Ph.D. has been pending for some time now, so I am sure you have had plenty of practice and a leg up on me.

Underrepresentation and not making up a plurality or majority typically wouldn't be considered a high rate. 40% of for-profits closed between 2010 and 2020. Public and private non-profit colleges don't come close to that.

Oh! I haven't updated my signature on this forum. Thanks for reminding me. Obviously, I received excellent stats and research methods training at a university with standards and real research courses.

Legitimate laugh / No digs or smart-ass comments. The signature cracked me up. I am still laughing as I type.

Well played and appreciated.

LOL. No hard feelings. I sincerely do wish you the best of luck at VUL.