05-08-2026, 09:32 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-08-2026, 02:40 PM by PearsonOTHMQualifi7654.)
Most of these points have already been addressed earlier in the thread. The distinction between private distance learning centre diplomas, such as diplôme d’établissement awards, and state-issued diplômes nationaux has already been made clear. French distance learning law (particularly Chapter IV, which has been discussed on several occasions), as well as the structural differences between educational systems across countries, have likewise already been covered at length.
At this point, it is difficult to see how repeating the same allegations, while adding further inaccuracies and increasingly speculative claims, helps the forum community, students, or advances the discussion in a productive way.
On the latest inaccurate statement about VAE: This is a process in France to recognize work experience toward qualifications; it can be used for vocational diplomas, national university diplomas, and also for private institutional diplomas. The nationally registered vocational diplomas and national university diplomas in France are regulated closely by the government and have nothing to do with Private distance education centers like EIU, which can issue their own diplomas under their own authority, a completely separate but lawful process.
The VAE notion itself is codified into French law and recognized by all countries that are party to the UNESCO Convention on the Recognition of Qualifications concerning Higher Education in the European Region, also known as the Lisbon Recognition Convention. Parties to the convention include just about every country, which means pretty much the entire world recognizes the process. It's time to move past VAE as some sort of sticking point. Also, making accusations that people work for EIU sounds like one needs to come up with a discussion point based on factual evidence, not speculation.
On being a Private Distance Learning Centre: Yes they are lawfully registered under the French Education Code under articles L444-1 to L444-11 and R444-1 to R444-28, and are allowed to function as a "private university", with the registration of a Distance Learning Centre. This is a settled point. The argument that they are not a "private university" because they are registered as a "distance learning centre" is incorrect. A lawfully registered Distance Learning Center that is allowed to issue institutional diplomas is effectively functioning as a "private university".
It does not make them into French Public Universités; they have never made such a claim. Also, top Private Schools in France (Grandes Écoles), such as ESSEC, HEC Paris, are not Universités, but that doesn't mean they aren't top-notch "universities". They are fully recognized by the French Government and function as universities in the international sense; they are not public Universités in the French legal sense.
Also, EIU has never claimed to be issuing National Diplomas, so this circular argument that the awards are not part of the national diploma system is simply repeating a fact that has no bearing on the conversation.
Here are the links to the French Government Law site Legifrance, with the Distance Education Law, which can be viewed in English via a browser setting:
Chapter IV: Private institutions providing distance education. (Articles L444-1 to L444-11)
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/sec...0006166630
Chapter IV: Private institutions providing distance education. (Articles R444-1 to R444-28)
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/sec...0018379716
It is also important to separate personal opinion from verifiable fact. Allegations of illegality, fraud, or institutional misconduct require actual evidence, not assumptions or repeated assertions. Speculative revenue estimates similarly do not add much substance to the discussion.
Reasonable people can absolutely debate the utility, perception, or variability in recognition associated with these types of credentials. That is a legitimate and worthwhile discussion. However, continually rehashing the same accusations, while disregarding prior clarifications and nuance, is becoming increasingly circular and unproductive.
Also, about the title "Doctor" and doctorate degrees, this requires its own discussion, probably on another thread, as the word doctor comes from the Latin word docere, (pronounced doh-keh-reh or doh seh-reh, depending on which historical timeframe of spoken Latin one is referring to), which means to teach. Medical doctors have taken this word starting in the 17th century; most doctorate degrees are not medical in nature and do not lead to medical licensure in most instances. PhDs, for example, are research-based degrees and are not clinical. Licensed medical doctors are more accurately described as physicians.
Here is a fun Paper in the National Libaray of Medicine "Whom should we really call a "doctor"?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5973890/
At this stage, I believe most readers have enough information available throughout the thread to form their own conclusions.
At this point, it is difficult to see how repeating the same allegations, while adding further inaccuracies and increasingly speculative claims, helps the forum community, students, or advances the discussion in a productive way.
On the latest inaccurate statement about VAE: This is a process in France to recognize work experience toward qualifications; it can be used for vocational diplomas, national university diplomas, and also for private institutional diplomas. The nationally registered vocational diplomas and national university diplomas in France are regulated closely by the government and have nothing to do with Private distance education centers like EIU, which can issue their own diplomas under their own authority, a completely separate but lawful process.
The VAE notion itself is codified into French law and recognized by all countries that are party to the UNESCO Convention on the Recognition of Qualifications concerning Higher Education in the European Region, also known as the Lisbon Recognition Convention. Parties to the convention include just about every country, which means pretty much the entire world recognizes the process. It's time to move past VAE as some sort of sticking point. Also, making accusations that people work for EIU sounds like one needs to come up with a discussion point based on factual evidence, not speculation.
On being a Private Distance Learning Centre: Yes they are lawfully registered under the French Education Code under articles L444-1 to L444-11 and R444-1 to R444-28, and are allowed to function as a "private university", with the registration of a Distance Learning Centre. This is a settled point. The argument that they are not a "private university" because they are registered as a "distance learning centre" is incorrect. A lawfully registered Distance Learning Center that is allowed to issue institutional diplomas is effectively functioning as a "private university".
It does not make them into French Public Universités; they have never made such a claim. Also, top Private Schools in France (Grandes Écoles), such as ESSEC, HEC Paris, are not Universités, but that doesn't mean they aren't top-notch "universities". They are fully recognized by the French Government and function as universities in the international sense; they are not public Universités in the French legal sense.
Also, EIU has never claimed to be issuing National Diplomas, so this circular argument that the awards are not part of the national diploma system is simply repeating a fact that has no bearing on the conversation.
Here are the links to the French Government Law site Legifrance, with the Distance Education Law, which can be viewed in English via a browser setting:
Chapter IV: Private institutions providing distance education. (Articles L444-1 to L444-11)
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/sec...0006166630
Chapter IV: Private institutions providing distance education. (Articles R444-1 to R444-28)
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/sec...0018379716
It is also important to separate personal opinion from verifiable fact. Allegations of illegality, fraud, or institutional misconduct require actual evidence, not assumptions or repeated assertions. Speculative revenue estimates similarly do not add much substance to the discussion.
Reasonable people can absolutely debate the utility, perception, or variability in recognition associated with these types of credentials. That is a legitimate and worthwhile discussion. However, continually rehashing the same accusations, while disregarding prior clarifications and nuance, is becoming increasingly circular and unproductive.
Also, about the title "Doctor" and doctorate degrees, this requires its own discussion, probably on another thread, as the word doctor comes from the Latin word docere, (pronounced doh-keh-reh or doh seh-reh, depending on which historical timeframe of spoken Latin one is referring to), which means to teach. Medical doctors have taken this word starting in the 17th century; most doctorate degrees are not medical in nature and do not lead to medical licensure in most instances. PhDs, for example, are research-based degrees and are not clinical. Licensed medical doctors are more accurately described as physicians.
Here is a fun Paper in the National Libaray of Medicine "Whom should we really call a "doctor"?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5973890/
At this stage, I believe most readers have enough information available throughout the thread to form their own conclusions.


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