ENEB New Master Thread

[artem]

What doctoral program did you attend?

DBA from Walsh

[eLearner]

There is nothing bad about this evaluation.
You get an RA bachelor's equivalent.
You would not be transferring credits from a completed degree, so there is no problem with absent course credits.
You can apply to many master's programs without a GPA. 
Typically, an S (satisfactory) indicates a GPA of 3.0. 
I was accepted into a doctoral program with such an evaluation. 
ENEB is an efficient way to obtain a low-cost bachelor's degree in a short period. You can get it for hundreds of dollars in a week.

There is nothing wrong with the evaluation overall, no. My stance on this has always been that being able to get an evaluation as RA equivalent and a Bachelor's degree for the price ENEB charges is a huge win. However, not every school is going to look favorably at an evaluation with no GPA and no individual course grades, so this could still be an issue in some situations. One just has to shop around in that situation.

[SteveFoerster]

ECE has apparently changed their stance on calculating GPAs for this program. Earlier evaluations from them show grades and GPAs having been calculated. The most recent one I saw where they did calculate a GPA was posted here from 2022. I don't know if there have been any others since. But having read some information and talked to some people, it appears that the new stance is based on the fact that the transcript comes from ENEB and not Isabel.

However, I know of one person who finished a Spanish degree and the transcript came directly from the university and ECE still wouldn't calculate a GPA. The evaluator claimed that the grades need to be on the diploma, but that's nonsensical because that's not customary here or in Spain. Then the evaluator gave a bunch of completely false reasons for why they wouldn't evaluate the program as a Master's; reasons that any of us would've picked up on as being completely wrong immediately.

I'm starting to question if ECE has a grasp on what they're doing.

You raise a great question. Those foreign credential evaluators are gatekeeping US equivalency. Otherwise, the "non-profit" online degree mills, where you pay USD 20,000 for a master's degree, would be very upset. If you want a US master's equivalency for free or at a very low cost, you can study online at a public German university. If you want it easy, you can pay 20k to a degree mill in the US, do minimal work, wait for 1.5 years, and graduate with a 4.0 GPA. If you are willing to do the work, there are plenty of master's programs at around USD 4000 to 15,000. FCEs don't like the idea that you can get away with a cheap degree mill master's degree. Some of them will evaluate it because you are awarded a credential by an accredited university, but only as a bachelor's degree or graduate credit. Now, if this program were priced at 5k Euros, it would be a different story.

We should accept that ENEB programs are useful as a stepping stone for earning a more reputable degree or for showing willingness to learn new things to your prospective employers, stop bugging FCEs about it, and move on.

Let me get this straight: FCEs adjust their evaluations to their own detriment to benefit US institutions that they're not affiliated with? Why in their world would they do that?

I mean, rather than resort to a conspiracy theory that doesn't actually make any sense, wouldn't it seem the simpler explanation is that they don't really know what they're doing, and they don't use replicable procedures to make their determinations?

Also, "degree mill" is not a synonym for "school that's accredited, but I still don't like".

[eLearner]

I can go either way on that. The public is so trained by mass media to quickly dismiss things as "conspiracy theories" and even misunderstand the term itself as being negative. In reality, it all starts as a theory, and conspiracies happen all the time. Many of the things throughout history that people were dead certain were just "conspiracy theories" turned out to be fact, and that's just in recent history. Forget about the other thousands of years where that's happened.

I'll be real: If I were a different person and I was running an FCE agency and knew how dependent the business was on having a good reputation and staying on the list with universities that routinely charge as much as 80-100K+ for a degree, I would for sure consider the impact of giving people living in this country full recognition to their foreign degrees that cost pennies compared to what our universities charge. If business in that part stops, that's a minor if not insignificant loss because I know that there are well over 100 countries and plenty more business will come in to such an extent that we won't miss the loss of a few evaluations of Spanish degrees.

Or, maybe all of it is just due to ineptitude. But I have a hard time believing that people who have multiple degrees and have been evaluating for many years (we can look up the evaluators) wouldn't know better than to make some of decisions they've made based on some of the absurd reasoning I've seen used. Some of what I've read comes across as "I just don't want to give full recognition to this and I don't have a good reason. But this person isn't going to know any better, so let me just tell them something and they'll go away" and people probably do just go away most of the time. I also take into account that the evaluators are dealing with high volume and limited time, so that doesn't help either, but it still doesn't excuse things.

In the end, these evaluations have a real impact on some people's lives, so it's important that people get what they paid for: fairness and accuracy.

[Dlo79]

Hey Everyone,

I'm hoping you can point me to what I'm clearly missing, I tried searching both this thread and the legacy ENEB thread and I'm coming up empty.  What I'm wondering is, how do we get the UI1 diplomas to the FCEs (ECE, IEE, etc)?  Seems they specifically call out that the student isn't the one to send the docs, rather, they want them either from the school itself or via one of the other services like Parchment.  I would have thought that if we needed to use a 3rd party to get the docs to the FCEs, that would have come up in another thread but I could be wrong.  I've reached out to ENEB's diploma dept to ask if they have any input, but I've not heard back.  I do have the UI1 two page diploma with the UI1.es validation link at the bottom of page 2, but I'm guessing that's not gonna work for the FCEs.  Any input, specifically for ECE and/or IEE would be great.  TIA!

[chopliver2]

Hey Everyone,

I'm hoping you can point me to what I'm clearly missing, I tried searching both this thread and the legacy ENEB thread and I'm coming up empty.  What I'm wondering is, how do we get the UI1 diplomas to the FCEs (ECE, IEE, etc)?  Seems they specifically call out that the student isn't the one to send the docs, rather, they want them either from the school itself or via one of the other services like Parchment.  I would have thought that if we needed to use a 3rd party to get the docs to the FCEs, that would have come up in another thread but I could be wrong.  I've reached out to ENEB's diploma dept to ask if they have any input, but I've not heard back.  I do have the UI1 two page diploma with the UI1.es validation link at the bottom of page 2, but I'm guessing that's not gonna work for the FCEs.  Any input, specifically for ECE and/or IEE would be great.  TIA!

ECE will actually do the report. Just provide all docs. including ENEB. They will verify themselves.

IEE will only do a provisional report. Unless receiving directly from ENEB.

The document send link is here and requires payment:
https://eneb.com/sending-digital-academi...titutions/

After payment you email them at academy@eneb.com and tell them where you need it sent.

[icecubetr]

ECE has apparently changed their stance on calculating GPAs for this program. Earlier evaluations from them show grades and GPAs having been calculated. The most recent one I saw where they did calculate a GPA was posted here from 2022. I don't know if there have been any others since. But having read some information and talked to some people, it appears that the new stance is based on the fact that the transcript comes from ENEB and not Isabel.

However, I know of one person who finished a Spanish degree and the transcript came directly from the university and ECE still wouldn't calculate a GPA. The evaluator claimed that the grades need to be on the diploma, but that's nonsensical because that's not customary here or in Spain. Then the evaluator gave a bunch of completely false reasons for why they wouldn't evaluate the program as a Master's; reasons that any of us would've picked up on as being completely wrong immediately.

I'm starting to question if ECE has a grasp on what they're doing.

You raise a great question. Those foreign credential evaluators are gatekeeping US equivalency. Otherwise, the "non-profit" online degree mills, where you pay USD 20,000 for a master's degree, would be very upset. If you want a US master's equivalency for free or at a very low cost, you can study online at a public German university. If you want it easy, you can pay 20k to a degree mill in the US, do minimal work, wait for 1.5 years, and graduate with a 4.0 GPA. If you are willing to do the work, there are plenty of master's programs at around USD 4000 to 15,000. FCEs don't like the idea that you can get away with a cheap degree mill master's degree. Some of them will evaluate it because you are awarded a credential by an accredited university, but only as a bachelor's degree or graduate credit. Now, if this program were priced at 5k Euros, it would be a different story.

We should accept that ENEB programs are useful as a stepping stone for earning a more reputable degree or for showing willingness to learn new things to your prospective employers, stop bugging FCEs about it, and move on.

Let me get this straight: FCEs adjust their evaluations to their own detriment to benefit US institutions that they're not affiliated with? Why in their world would they do that?

I mean, rather than resort to a conspiracy theory that doesn't actually make any sense, wouldn't it seem the simpler explanation is that they don't really know what they're doing, and they don't use replicable procedures to make their determinations?

No, FCEs don't adjust their evaluations to their own detriment to benefit US institutions that they're not affiliated with, but that doesn't change the fact that some US universities' businesses would be negatively affected if $500 fast and easy ENEB degrees carried the same weight as their degrees via foreign credential evaluation. I think FCEs know exactly what they are doing. They know that ENEB programs, especially with the new agile methodology, don't require much effort.

I completed one of their programs. If a person wants to cheat, the entire degree can be completed with the help of a large language model agent with a passing score of 80% in less than half an hour. This is peak degree mill territory. ENEB could have introduced 50-question exams for each of their courses, and nobody would have batted an eye, but they decided that a 50-question exam is enough for the entire degree. It seems like they also stopped asking for proof of a bachelor's degree, which wasn't the case a few years ago. I believe that these are the reasons why FCEs are giving less favorable evaluation results now compared to the evaluation results a few years ago.

That being said, I like obtaining cheap graduate-level credits, and a bachelor's equivalency evaluation opens many doors. I think this is still a good deal. I support the idea that education should be accessible. I hope the evaluations don't get any worse. At the same time, I wouldn't list a degree from this school as my main credential on LinkedIn.

Also, "degree mill" is not a synonym for "school that's accredited, but I still don't like".

That depends on how you define "degree mill". A school can be accredited and still be a degree mill at the same time.

[SteveFoerster]

No, FCEs don't adjust their evaluations to their own detriment to benefit US institutions that they're not affiliated with, but that doesn't change the fact that some US universities' businesses would be negatively affected if $500 fast and easy ENEB degrees carried the same weight as their degrees via foreign credential evaluation.

I don't disagree with either of these; I just don't think they have anything to do with each other.

I think FCEs know exactly what they are doing. They know that ENEB programs, especially with the new agile methodology, don't require much effort.

If they knew what they were doing, they'd produce consistent results, and different FCEs would, by and large, agree. We've seen that's not the case for many years, going at least as far back as John Bear testing different FCEs on how they evaluated the Heriot-Watt MBA.

That said, I agree with you that ENEB made a big mistake introducing that single exam if their goals included being respected. But things like AI vulnerabilities and other poor curricular design are found across the board these days. It's a pervasive problem throughout higher education.

[eLearner]

I'm curious to know if anyone has seen and can link to any ECE evaluations of ENEB programs from 2025?

[Dlo79]

I'm curious to know if anyone has seen and can link to any ECE evaluations of ENEB programs from 2025?

I'll gladly link what I get once completed.  I have sent in to both ECE and IEE (MBA+Team Mgmt and a Master in Coaching - a riff on the HR/Exec Ldrshp route).  I uploaded the docs to ECE myself but also later asked that ENEB sends them in as well since all the ECE stuff I found said that the records must come from the institution.  At this point it still says docs pending (I purchased the eval on Monday), though Academy@ENEB said they sent the docs as well yesterday.  No rush on my side though.  For IEE, I purchased the eval yesterday, uploaded the docs, and in addition paid the $48 or whatever it was to have ENEB send the docs from their end as well (NOTE* I haven't paid to send to ECE and ENEB never said I needed to, which I though was kinda odd?), and ENEB confirmed they sent the docs to IEE early this morning.  I'm hoping to hear from them (ECE & IEE) one way or another by end of next week.