ENEB New Master Thread

[Tia21]

I wanted to ask a question has anyone completed the eneb and unimaroni university program? If you have what degree evaluation agency did you use? What was the degree equivalency in the us?

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

I wanted to ask a question has anyone completed the eneb and unimaroni university program? If you have what degree evaluation agency did you use? What was the degree equivalency in the us?

Hello there! The ENEB to Unimarconi program hasn't started yet, so nobody can answer that question right now. We will have to wait to see results.

People who have graduated from ENEB alone have received US Evaluations ranging from Bachelor's degrees, Graduate Coursework, Graduate Certificate, Graduate Diploma, and even as a "Master's Degree not Regionally Accredited".
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB

Unimarconi graduates of Master Universitario di 2 Livello have received a Master's degree equivalency (WES Canada)
https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...ad?page=45

WES is pretty strict; they also no longer evaluate ENEB. WES Canada and WES US is the same company, 2 different offices.

[chopliver2]

Hi all, apologies for the previous long post, the thread seems to be eating the entry. Anyways, here's something to think about

We have prior evidence that a Livello 1 has been evaluated as a US Master's degree:

1. In an older thread, it shows WES evaluating the 1 Livello Italian Master's Degree as equivalent to a US Master's degree. 
https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...ne-Courses

2. A Canadian University's website confirms they consider a 1 Livello or 2 Livello (Specialization Master's) as well as the full Magistrale, all as equivalent to a Canadian Masters.
https://www.sgs.utoronto.ca/future-stude...valencies/

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If one has 60 ECTS from a Postgraduate Diploma or a Level 7 Postgraduate Diploma from any of the following: Pearson BTEC/OTHM/ATHE/LRN/NCC Education/Qualfi, these 60 ECTS enable advanced entry into a UK MBA to complete the remaining 60 ECTS.

Does a 1 Livello work in this way? Who knows, some AI sources say that a 1 Livello is equivalent to a UK Postgraduate Diploma. 
If you want a guaranteed route to a full UK MBA, there's always the Level 7 Postgraduate Diploma that I listed above, as it guarantees advanced entry to select UK MBA programmes and it is super affordable.

For those who are less familiar, postgraduate (UK) = Graduate School level (US)

That was back in 2021 and it doesn't mention what Livello it is. Additionally a course by course evaluation by WES generally provides less favorable results than a general equivalency. So the true answer is we don't know. You'd also think there would be some mention of WES on their marketing materials. Truth is the use of a second level on their marketing and being price at over $2,000 it's ambiguous at best.

[tordan]

How many fully accredited MBA programmes are willing to accept most of the work done at ENEB?
If I were not already working on a fully accredited MBA, I would definitely convert my ENEB coursework via the Unimarconi transfer.

No one knows until this Marconi deal is done or someone completed but for now I don't see any posts or documentation of this, just hypotheticals....

Maybe? Has anyone seen ENEB Gard evals from IEE or ECE get used?

UMPI MAOL? has anyone got them to accept at the 6 credit max?

I would love to launder the ENEB credits at UMPI, but I think UMPI has higher standards than to accept ENEB transfer credits.

[chopliver2]

How many fully accredited MBA programmes are willing to accept most of the work done at ENEB?
If I were not already working on a fully accredited MBA, I would definitely convert my ENEB coursework via the Unimarconi transfer.

No one knows until this Marconi deal is done or someone completed but for now I don't see any posts or documentation of this, just hypotheticals....

Maybe? Has anyone seen ENEB Gard evals from IEE or ECE get used?

UMPI MAOL? has anyone got them to accept at the 6 credit max?

I would love to launder the ENEB credits at UMPI, but I think UMPI has higher standards than to accept ENEB transfer credits.

UMPI will use the evaluator as a reference and guide. That being said since they’re graduate credits it’s not far fetched to assume they will transfer into the Masters programs at UMPI up to the transfer limit and given enough similarity to the courses that would be replaced…

[irvineboy]

How many fully accredited MBA programmes are willing to accept most of the work done at ENEB?
If I were not already working on a fully accredited MBA, I would definitely convert my ENEB coursework via the Unimarconi transfer.

No one knows until this Marconi deal is done or someone completed but for now I don't see any posts or documentation of this, just hypotheticals....

Maybe? Has anyone seen ENEB Gard evals from IEE or ECE get used?

UMPI MAOL? has anyone got them to accept at the 6 credit max?

I would love to launder the ENEB credits at UMPI, but I think UMPI has higher standards than to accept ENEB transfer credits.

UMPI will use the evaluator as a reference and guide. That being said since they’re graduate credits it’s not far fetched to assume they will transfer into the Masters programs at UMPI up to the transfer limit and given enough similarity to the courses that would be replaced…

I hope so, from everywhere and anything I see everyone says they will take ONLY UMPI Undergrad credit from the 4 BUS courses (max 3), BUT the UMPI transfer policy for external transfers is 6 credits max. So logically the policy is or should be..

1. if you have studied at UMPI and completed 4 of the BUS courses listed, 3 will transfer into the MA 
2.if you studied eslewhere and want to bring credits over you can petition for 2 to come over or 6 credits

I am curious if anyone has done the later successfully yet, I mean if they didn't allow external credits then why even have the policy in place right

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

How many fully accredited MBA programmes are willing to accept most of the work done at ENEB?
If I were not already working on a fully accredited MBA, I would definitely convert my ENEB coursework via the Unimarconi transfer.

No one knows until this Marconi deal is done or someone completed but for now I don't see any posts or documentation of this, just hypotheticals....

Maybe? Has anyone seen ENEB Gard evals from IEE or ECE get used?

UMPI MAOL? has anyone got them to accept at the 6 credit max?

I would love to launder the ENEB credits at UMPI, but I think UMPI has higher standards than to accept ENEB transfer credits.

UMPI will use the evaluator as a reference and guide. That being said since they’re graduate credits it’s not far fetched to assume they will transfer into the Masters programs at UMPI up to the transfer limit and given enough similarity to the courses that would be replaced…

I hope so, from everywhere and anything I see everyone says they will take ONLY UMPI Undergrad credit from the 4 BUS courses (max 3), BUT the UMPI transfer policy for external transfers is 6 credits max. So logically the policy is or should be..

1. if you have studied at UMPI and completed 4 of the BUS courses listed, 3 will transfer into the MA 
2.if you studied eslewhere and want to bring credits over you can petition for 2 to come over or 6 credits

I am curious if anyone has done the later successfully yet, I mean if they didn't allow external credits then why even have the policy in place right

Seems like very few graduate credits transfer from ENEB to UMPI.

It looks like the primary purpose for an ENEB Master's is to 1. Get additional training and enhance the resume, 2. Potentially use as credits towards Bachelor's degree completion and/or 3. Gain admission into a US Master's level program.  

Has anyone used an ENEB Master's in Europe for transfer credits or for admission into something?
It seems the main purpose of an ENEB master's is to learn more things and enhance the resume. So when did transfer credit and progression to a doctorate become the main potential benefit of ENEB training or that any upgrade being offered, should make it universally qualify for a doctorate? 

For the "Upgrade to an accredited Master's" Promotion via Unimarconi, that is ending today at the "Special Price", there's some ambiguity that ENEB has used the image of a 2 Livello in the marketing material.  They've been pretty vocal that it's a 1 Livello however.

1 Livello is a legitimate Level 7 qualification.  At Level 7 there are three categories: 1. The lowest being the Postgraduate Certificate (PGCert) at 30 ECTS,  2. the next one up the ladder being a Postgraduate Diploma (PGDip) at 60 ECTS, and 3. the top of the rung is a Master's Degree at 90 ECTS

2 Livello is held in higher regard than a 1 Livello, again the chances of transfer credits and acceptance for advanced level entry into full Master's in the UK looks pretty attainable for either1 Livello or 2 Livello as the MBA Top Ups require a PGDip with 60 ECTS for admission.

From what I can gather, a propio in comparison, is below a 30 ECTS Postgraduate Certificate. A University issued Propio can be used for 15 ECTS of transfer credits, so it's really like half a Postgraduate Certificate. 

Should we be complaining that a 1 livello no good? It seems exponentially better at 60 universally recognized ECTS throughout the European Higher Education Area (EHEA) compared to the potential acceptance of 15 ECTS in Spain from the university that issued/certified the Propio.  Propio acceptance across the EHEA? Not sure.

The worst case scenario for a 1 Livello in Europe is that it is only shy of 30 ECTS normally granted for for the dissertation/thesis stage of a full MBA. If a 1 Livello is accepted and/or evaluated as a 60 ECTS Postgraduate Diploma (PGDip), that's the 2nd highest Level 7 Qualification there is.  

If it is a 1 Livello, and is evaluated as a PGDip, one only would have to transfer in the 60 ECTS to an MBA Top-up programme in the UK and do the Thesis for 30 ECTS to graduate with a full MBA, which does not cost more than 5000 GBP usually. But who needs to upgrade the 1 Livello after it's said and done? It is recognized by the education ministry of the issuing country as a master's degree, and so it can be listed on a resume as is.

There are a ways to go from a propio to an accredited doctorate program. Propio to 1. PGCert, to 2. PGDip, to 3. Full Master's, to 4. Doctorate. 
4 stages from a propio to an accredited Doctorate.
If the upgrade advances a propio 2 levels further to a PGDip, that's still progress.

[nykorn]

Here's another way to look at it, 3, even 4 Titulos Propios are not quite the same as 1 Master Universitario di Primo Livello because:
From any combination of Titulo Propios, only 15 ECTS can transfer into an official program

Just a reminder, most Master's programs do not accept more than around 15 ECTS from any other Master's program in general, whether from a titulo propio or not. Many schools don't accept any transfer credits at the Master level whatsoever, no matter what. So (yet again) everyone really needs to research the school they want to use these degrees at first before buying them or thinking that the Italian degree is going to be better for their specific situation.

In my case, I don't have any intentions of going for anything higher than a Masters, and I do need something academically related to pad out my odd amount of work experience in certain fields, so a titulo propio is fine for me. I may end up going to that Italian university ENEB is partnered with as a normal, non-ENEB student at some point though.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

Here's another way to look at it, 3, even 4 Titulos Propios are not quite the same as 1 Master Universitario di Primo Livello because:
From any combination of Titulo Propios, only 15 ECTS can transfer into an official program

Just a reminder, most Master's programs do not accept more than around 15 ECTS from any other Master's program in general, whether from a titulo propio or not. Many schools don't accept any transfer credits at the Master level whatsoever, no matter what. So (yet again) everyone really needs to research the school they want to use these degrees at first before buying them or thinking that the Italian degree is going to be better for their specific situation.

Yes, and a reminder that UK Programmes take 60 ECTS from a Postgradate Diploma (PGDip) into the dissertation stage of an MBA to top off the final 30 ECTS for a full MBA.

[nykorn]

Has anyone used an ENEB Master's in Europe for transfer credits or for admission into something?

Yes a couple have, it's listed on the ENEB Wiki page. What we currently have confirmed is Belgium and Slovenia will accept ENEB graduates, if that hasn't changed.

https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB#Europe

https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB#Accredited_schools_&_licensure_accepting_ENEB_degrees_for_admissions_or_transfer_credits