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Credential Creep
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A couple of weeks ago, I found out that dietitians will soon need a master's degree. There are now six entry-level master's programs for respiratory therapists, and this is a job that only requires an associate's degree. However, USPHS requires at least a bachelor's degree. I know that nurse practitioners will soon need a doctorate. I believe the occupational therapy field is also pushing to require a doctorate. 

Honestly, I don't think occupational therapists and physical therapists need doctoral degrees. Their work is not that complicated. They aren't performing surgery, making compex diagnoses, writing prescriptions, or treating mental illnesses. Not too long ago, they only needed a bachelor's degree.
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Overall I'm bothered by credential creep, but in allied health sometimes it makes sense, because there is more to learn than before.

Even before a requirement happens, it seems to become difficult to get a job without the upcoming requirement. When they get a lot of new grads in a field, they can be pickier about who to hire.
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(06-09-2019, 01:58 PM)Ideas Wrote: Overall I'm bothered by credential creep, but in allied health sometimes it makes sense, because there is more to learn than before.

Even before a requirement happens, it seems to become difficult to get a job without the upcoming requirement. When they get a lot of new grads in a field, they can be pickier about who to hire.
That's probably why there are so many online transitional doctoral programs for physical therapists, occupational therapists, pharmacists and audiologists. They were grandfathered in, but the expectation is that they will have a doctorate.
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(06-09-2019, 01:32 PM)sanantone Wrote: A couple of weeks ago, I found out that dietitians will soon need a master's degree. There are now six entry-level master's programs for respiratory therapists, and this is a job that only requires an associate's degree. However, USPHS requires at least a bachelor's degree. I know that nurse practitioners will soon need a doctorate. I believe the occupational therapy field is also pushing to require a doctorate. 

Honestly, I don't think occupational therapists and physical therapists need doctoral degrees. Their work is not that complicated. They aren't performing surgery, making compex diagnoses, writing prescriptions, or treating mental illnesses. Not too long ago, they only needed a bachelor's degree.

I 100% agree that PT do not need doctoral degrees.  I have had AAS degree physical therapists who all did great in the VA.  This padding is making our medical bills and system too $$$.
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A friend of mine is a PT and she says that she is in so much demand that she doesn't see how they'll really make the doctorate requirement practical.

My mom is a retired RN who was told her entire career that she would eventually need to get her BSN, and because she was in so much demand, it never happened.

I think the secret is to study something in demand and at least you're a little bit safer. If they can't fill the positions that they have, it would be at least a little harder to demand more.
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(06-09-2019, 07:04 PM)burbuja0512 Wrote: A friend of mine is a PT and she says that she is in so much demand that she doesn't see how they'll really make the doctorate requirement practical.

My mom is a retired RN who was told her entire career that she would eventually need to get her BSN, and because she was in so much demand, it never happened.

I think the secret is to study something in demand and at least you're a little bit safer.   If they can't fill the positions that they have, it would be at least a little harder to demand more.

When's the last time she's looked into this? She's far behind. Every single physical therapy program was converted to a doctorate years ago. Accredited bachelor's and master's degrees in physical therapy no longer exist. 

One can become a physical therapy assistant with an associate's or bachelor's. They are required to practice under a physical therapist, and they make less money.

Young adults can't judge the market based on what Baby Boomers and Generation X needed. They were grandfathered in during requirements changes.
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I would agree, once someone has like 10 years experience, they might not have to return to school, but it's sad for those who already spent years studying for the career and only have 0-4 years experience Sad
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(06-09-2019, 07:32 PM)sanantone Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 07:04 PM)burbuja0512 Wrote: A friend of mine is a PT and she says that she is in so much demand that she doesn't see how they'll really make the doctorate requirement practical.

My mom is a retired RN who was told her entire career that she would eventually need to get her BSN, and because she was in so much demand, it never happened.

I think the secret is to study something in demand and at least you're a little bit safer.   If they can't fill the positions that they have, it would be at least a little harder to demand more.

When's the last time she's looked into this? She's far behind. Every single physical therapy program was converted to a doctorate years ago. Accredited bachelor's and master's degrees in physical therapy no longer exist. 

One can become a physical therapy assistant with an associate's or bachelor's. They are required to practice under a physical therapist, and they make less money.

Young adults can't judge the market based on what Baby Boomers and Generation X needed. They were grandfathered in during requirements changes.

She has been a practicing PT for years, so perhaps what she was saying was that she doesn't have to go back to school to get her doctorate.  It must be the case because I'm 100% certain that she works as a PT and also completely certain that she never got her doctorate.
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(06-10-2019, 10:25 AM)burbuja0512 Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 07:32 PM)sanantone Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 07:04 PM)burbuja0512 Wrote: A friend of mine is a PT and she says that she is in so much demand that she doesn't see how they'll really make the doctorate requirement practical.

My mom is a retired RN who was told her entire career that she would eventually need to get her BSN, and because she was in so much demand, it never happened.

I think the secret is to study something in demand and at least you're a little bit safer.   If they can't fill the positions that they have, it would be at least a little harder to demand more.

When's the last time she's looked into this? She's far behind. Every single physical therapy program was converted to a doctorate years ago. Accredited bachelor's and master's degrees in physical therapy no longer exist. 

One can become a physical therapy assistant with an associate's or bachelor's. They are required to practice under a physical therapist, and they make less money.

Young adults can't judge the market based on what Baby Boomers and Generation X needed. They were grandfathered in during requirements changes.

She has been a practicing PT for years, so perhaps what she was saying was that she doesn't have to go back to school to get her doctorate.  It must be the case because I'm 100% certain that she works as a PT and also completely certain that she never got her doctorate.

She was grandfathered in. Since there are only doctoral programs in physical therapy, having a doctorate is a requirement.
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While reading Capitalism and Freedom, Milton Friedman argues that licenses and the same would apply to education that is unnecessary will limit the entry into these fields essentially driving up the cost of salaries for these types of employees. This will essentially create a shortage of those who try to enter due to these barriers. My friend a Dietician will be grandfathered in and will function just fine at her position as her fellow coworkers that she will supervise who has an MS in Nutrition.
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