ENEB Master Thread

[ProReader]

Doing six masters, even in this unique ENEB format for fun, aligns well with how each person defines fun differently. Inquiring about some of the finer details on the diploma may tell that there is more than just fun involved. 

Thank you. But - just for fun - I do a little challenge for myself every year - this time just that. But either way, who knows what you need it for. (The degree is - as already mentioned several times - not recognised as equivalent by the German authorities...that's clear as far as it goes.

Thanks for the nicknames - that's why I'm a bit confused:

Thanks for the pictures.
I saw some comments on ENEB and UI1’s master on anabin. Although we cannot find this program under UI1, we can separately find UI1 and the program. According to the poster, anabin or German work visa accepts this kind of combination.

Another thing is, you actually started the program in 2018 and wait for UI1 to issue the final degree in 2020? For self accelerated program, that wait would be very long.


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Titulos Propios have no value in countries like Germany, Austria 

Haven’t the courses been recognised as masters in Germany?

I’m very close to purchasing the course - have been eyeing it up for a long time.

It looks (and correct me if I’m wrong), that the Big Data course is most likely to be accredited as a masters degree elsewhere?

I’ve read this thread back-to-front several times; I still haven’t seen too much with regards to UK evaluations - anyone know of any similar threads that document these evaluations for the UK (if any)? (I have checked out all the links a very useful user posted in this thread a page or two back - thank you!)

I’ll let you know how I get on.

[BadSquirrelBeta]

Hi there!

I am thinking about enrolling to the ENEB "MBA & Master in Business and Corporate Communication" program.

If I get it right that makes 19 "study cases" in total I have to complete. Can someone, who is in one of their programs right now, can confirm who much workload that means? I read anything from "a few pages" to no longer than 20 Pages to this topic. This study cases will be rated and you have to get at least 5 out of 10?

I am interested in the knowledge about "Business and Corporate Communication" and would only enroll to the MBA & Master because of the just 50€ difference. Is it correct that I can do all the sections for the Master first and receive the Diploma and after that do the MBA once (or don`t do them)?

Thank you very much!

As for workload, you get out of it what you put into it.  There are no wrong or right answers or directives for the workload question. 

The program primarily blends Andragogy and Heutagogy for their online learning model.  Me, personally, I put quite a few hours into each course and project, also pushing myself to research into the weeds because I wanted to learn as much as possible and also understand where my lived experience, professional experience, prior educational experiences and other acumen may intersect with the scope of the course, course materials and project requirements.  It was very beneficial to my learning through the ENEB/UI1 courses I was not learning or responsible for completing the Final Projects subject to a deadline, cramming for tests to just vomit answers committed to short-term memory or required to go and sit in a brick-and-mortar classroom.  Not everyone likes that type of environment, seeks that type of learning opportunity or excels.  Me, personally, been there and done that...no longer my cup of tea, however, I also respect the needs of others, their preferred styles of learning and desired approaches.  On the flip side of this, I am certainly well aware not all programs and subjects can be or even should be considered for presentation and mastery through these learning modes. Would I want brain surgery from a graduate of a medical school taught via these learning styles? No, of course not. I realize that is quite an extreme example, however, in all candor, sometimes the back and forth about ENEB/UI1 courses and opportunities becomes so trivial; one either likes it or they don't. Ok, you think the school is great? that's nice; or you think the school and everything to do with it is a waste of time? Ok, that's nice too; at the end of the day, for the love of God, just move on.

Here we go with another can of worms opened seeing God has now been brought into the conversation. Given this development I might as well extend my thanks to those expressing their concern about saving my academic soul...I guess? Remember, there are people out there who will dissuade anyone from earning an MBA at any school other than Harvard or Northwestern and maybe an additional chosen few. The rest are just a waste of time and academic white noise. You can check that list out on reddit. God help those of us who've chosen the ENEB/UI1 courses. I guess I need to start integrating the dreaded "would you like fries with that?" in all I do and say when I share about my educational endeavors. Or pray the "Publish or Perish" dragon some of the forum posters delight in warning those of us studying through ENEB/UI1 about is actually just good old friendly and harmless "Puff the Magic Dragon." And, while we're on the publish or perish, or, even better "you can't work for the Spanish government" caveat with this type of degree, I would rather contemplate heeding those warnings delivered up front and direct--as it shows you have some balls...couth, on the other hand, highly, highly subjective.

In many cases of my personal learning journey with ENEB there was an abundance of overkill for projects I completed and submitted, but what I researched and put together for the Final Projects were satisfactory to me.  After all, I am the leader of and wholly responsible for my academic destiny and chose to take advantage of the ENEB/UI1 programming. It was my hard earned Five Dollars in Pesos I bought this manifesto of academic programming off Groupon who actually started selling the ENEB programs due to an overstock from Craigslist. It was my efforts that either enhanced my learning or, I certainly could have chosen free will to just skate by or not even finish at all.  Self-directed learning is just that...self and directed.  The COVID-19 Global Health Pandemic brought new light upon many learning and development styles and competencies with self-directed learning being one of the top skills identified. 

Bottom line, as a good and faithful American GenX'er I accepted the program for what it was, put into it what I wanted to do, which reflected how extensively I desired to expound on the subject matter and Final Projects for each of the courses, earning grades I was satisfied with, as they fairly and accurately supported the efforts and approaches I took for each of the Final Projects.  Nothing more, nothing less.    

Best of luck to all on their academic endeavors be them what you desire to pursue and how in which you choose to study and progress...you do you boo.

[IHatePickingUsernames]

Wow~this is a hectic post. Just out of curiosity, what if in the future, when you decided to advance your education level (to a PhD), could someone from ENEB help issue a recommendation letter for you? Anyone has a clue?

The ENEB's propio Master, based on my understanding, is designed for career and professional improvement and not for academic and Ph.D. I really doubt if there's any chance they provide references for PhD application etc. 

Hince I'm also doing ENEB right now for fun, but we probably shouldn't expect too much more than what we paid for.

No need to doubt with there already confirmation in the thread confirming otherwise. 

ENEB has met the application requirement for doctorate programs at Virginia University of Lynchburg (NA) and Liberty University (RA). Those are just due to recent ENEB graduates applying, and I am comfortable in that there are bound to be more options to be discovered.

Well, my point is that the program's not designed for process to further academic study. So I doubt if the ENEB will issue references to support PhD applications. (And no one yet confirmed if they give recommendations)

Besides that, there's no actual conduct between students and their "academic staff" I really don't see any value even if they issued one.

Usually, doctoral references don't have to all come from past or current faculty members. In my experience, they want at least one recommendation from someone you had an academic experience with, because they can speak to how academically ready you are to tackle doctoral studies. The other recommendations can come from a work supervisor, colleague, etc. It depends on the program you're applying to.

As far as institutional references go, if you complete your ENEB degree with a high enough GPA, your degree will be officially conferred "with distinction". If that is the case, you will receive a formal letter from ENEB on official letterhead informing you of your graduation/degree honor. That can be submitted as a reference from the school in support of your PhD application.

Remember, just because the degree doesn't have a thesis requirement doesn't mean it can't be used to apply to doctorate programs, even PhDs. If your grades and recommendations are good enough, and all you're lacking is a course on research methodology, you can still be admitted. Missing a couple of prerequisite courses is called a "deficiency", but if the candidate's application is strong enough, otherwise, most programs will admit the candidate and allow them to remove the deficiencies within the first two semesters of starting the PhD program.

[KSoul]

Wow~this is a hectic post. Just out of curiosity, what if in the future, when you decided to advance your education level (to a PhD), could someone from ENEB help issue a recommendation letter for you? Anyone has a clue?

The ENEB's propio Master, based on my understanding, is designed for career and professional improvement and not for academic and Ph.D. I really doubt if there's any chance they provide references for PhD application etc. 

Hince I'm also doing ENEB right now for fun, but we probably shouldn't expect too much more than what we paid for.

No need to doubt with there already confirmation in the thread confirming otherwise. 

ENEB has met the application requirement for doctorate programs at Virginia University of Lynchburg (NA) and Liberty University (RA). Those are just due to recent ENEB graduates applying, and I am comfortable in that there are bound to be more options to be discovered.

Well, my point is that the program's not designed for process to further academic study. So I doubt if the ENEB will issue references to support PhD applications. (And no one yet confirmed if they give recommendations)

Besides that, there's no actual conduct between students and their "academic staff" I really don't see any value even if they issued one.

Usually, doctoral references don't have to all come from past or current faculty members. In my experience, they want at least one recommendation from someone you had an academic experience with, because they can speak to how academically ready you are to tackle doctoral studies. The other recommendations can come from a work supervisor, colleague, etc. It depends on the program you're applying to.

As far as institutional references go, if you complete your ENEB degree with a high enough GPA, your degree will be officially conferred "with distinction". If that is the case, you will receive a formal letter from ENEB on official letterhead informing you of your graduation/degree honor. That can be submitted as a reference from the school in support of your PhD application.

Remember, just because the degree doesn't have a thesis requirement doesn't mean it can't be used to apply to doctorate programs, even PhDs. If your grades and recommendations are good enough, and all you're lacking is a course on research methodology, you can still be admitted. Missing a couple of prerequisite courses is called a "deficiency", but if the candidate's application is strong enough, otherwise, most programs will admit the candidate and allow them to remove the deficiencies within the first two semesters of starting the PhD program.

Here's the verbiage on the document provided by ENEB:

ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE CUM LAUDE CERTIFICATE

The academic board of the Escuela de Negocios Europea de Barcelona, centre
registered in the Training Centres' State Registration with the no XXXX, and the
academic staff have unanimously agree to award the CUM LAUDE qualification to
(Student name), whose ID is (###) in the training program MBA - Master of
Business Administration.

According to the academic record No XXXX the obtained grades in the final works
deserve the recognition by the educational institution to the dedication, effort made
and the academic excellence achieved.

Regards,
Jordi Faz Florensa
Academic Director

[salko23]

Doing six masters, even in this unique ENEB format for fun, aligns well with how each person defines fun differently. Inquiring about some of the finer details on the diploma may tell that there is more than just fun involved. 

Thank you. But - just for fun - I do a little challenge for myself every year - this time just that. But either way, who knows what you need it for. (The degree is - as already mentioned several times - not recognised as equivalent by the German authorities...that's clear as far as it goes.

Thanks for the nicknames - that's why I'm a bit confused:

Thanks for the pictures.
I saw some comments on ENEB and UI1’s master on anabin. Although we cannot find this program under UI1, we can separately find UI1 and the program. According to the poster, anabin or German work visa accepts this kind of combination.

Another thing is, you actually started the program in 2018 and wait for UI1 to issue the final degree in 2020? For self accelerated program, that wait would be very long.


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Titulos Propios have no value in countries like Germany, Austria 

Haven’t the courses been recognised as masters in Germany?

I’m very close to purchasing the course - have been eyeing it up for a long time.

It looks (and correct me if I’m wrong), that the Big Data course is most likely to be accredited as a masters degree elsewhere?

I’ve read this thread back-to-front several times; I still haven’t seen too much with regards to UK evaluations - anyone know of any similar threads that document these evaluations for the UK (if any)? (I have checked out all the links a very useful user posted in this thread a page or two back - thank you!)

I’ll let you know how I get on.

As someone who has been dealing with the recognition of foreign qualifications in the EU for a long time, 
knowing how the evaluation process works, recognizes such diplomas as official diplomas in Germany can only happen due to some omission of the official working on the case.

State agencies dealing with the recognition of foreign diplomas in EU countries are generally very well connected.
The first thing they do is to check if that program is accredited, and they do that by having access to the database of the accreditation agency of the country where the diploma is issued.

If the diploma is not recognized in the country where it was issued, why would another EU country recognize it?

"The title "Titulo Propio" is issued according to Spanish law. But, as such it is not regulated and not officially recognized by the educational authorities, but it can be recognized by other universities and educational institutions, as well as fully used in the professional field." VIA-Valencian International University

Titulos Propios as a whole, if they are issued directly from a university that is known and has institutional accreditation as for example from UI1, they can be recognized as a kind of postgraduate diploma, but not as official Master's studies.

In order for the diploma to be fully accepted, the institution that issues the diploma must first have institutional accreditation and at the same time each individual program must be accredited.

The problem with the ENEB diploma is that it is not even a Propio Title, they have no institutional accreditation. 
They have some kind of verification from Isabel I, but the same programs are not offered by the Isabel I University itself.

There is no possibility for one University/Institute of Higher Education to accredit another University/Institute of Higher Education. The whole thing is opaque, not at all transparent and this is done consciously in that way.
For this reason I believe that there is a greater possibility for programs like ENEB to be recognized outside the EU countries, because in the EU the evaluation agencies are well informed about such cases.

[KSoul]

In many cases where validation questions arise, the emphasis is placed on limited validation as opposed to the value that the degree can bring in a particular use case. An example of this is when my sister, who is employed by a large organization in Poland, received a substantial increase in salary upon submitting her ENEB degree to HR. This is in addition to the salary bump she received for her UMPI degree in 2022. While I do not possess extensive knowledge of the validation process in Europe, it is undeniable that the value and potential use cases for a degree can have a significant impact in certain situations. It is, therefore, advisable to carefully consider these factors when determining one's options in Europe.

I am currently in Germany and more focused on completing my doctorate in April 2024, however, I will share any valuable insights I may acquire for leveraging ENEB while here.

[Stranger1]

@KSoul: as far as I have done my research, the ENEB master's degree will be recognized in Poland as any other Spanish titulo proprio - as postgraduate studies. Diplomas are signed by the rector of an accredited university (that's good), they don't fit into the EQF as level 7 qualifications (that's less good) and generally there is no possibility of recognizing them as master's or equivalent studies in Poland (interesting fact: doctors in Poland do not have master's degrees in the Polish sense. After graduation, they receive a title equivalent to a master's degree, but it is called "doctor").

Therefore, in the regular recruitment for doctoral studies in Poland, a diploma from ENEB will not be enough (basically, to start a doctorate in Poland, you must have a master's degree or an equivalent degree), but no one can say that the diploma after studying at ENEB is invalid (it is valid as postgraduate certificate).

I suspect that similar restrictions (a diploma from ENEB as an equivalent of postgraduate studies, not master's studies) will appear in other EU countries. However, this will apply to every titulo proprio diploma from Spain, not only from ENEB (EU countries have the right to great freedom in shaping their education). This will not be a big problem in Poland as long as someone does not apply for, for example, a clerical position requiring a master's degree.

[KSoul]

@KSoul: as far as I have done my research, the ENEB master's degree will be recognized in Poland as any other Spanish titulo proprio - as postgraduate studies. Diplomas are signed by the rector of an accredited university (that's good), they don't fit into the EQF as level 7 qualifications (that's less good) and generally there is no possibility of recognizing them as master's or equivalent studies in Poland (interesting fact: doctors in Poland do not have master's degrees in the Polish sense. After graduation, they receive a title equivalent to a master's degree, but it is called "doctor").

Therefore, in the regular recruitment for doctoral studies in Poland, a diploma from ENEB will not be enough (basically, to start a doctorate in Poland, you must have a master's degree or an equivalent degree), but no one can say that the diploma after studying at ENEB is invalid (it is valid as postgraduate certificate).

I suspect that similar restrictions (a diploma from ENEB as an equivalent of postgraduate studies, not master's studies) will appear in other EU countries. However, this will apply to every titulo proprio diploma from Spain, not only from ENEB (EU countries have the right to great freedom in shaping their education). This will not be a big problem in Poland as long as someone does not apply for, for example, a clerical position requiring a master's degree.

Great detail; thanks for the information.

[Jakob]

In many cases where validation questions arise, the emphasis is placed on limited validation as opposed to the value that the degree can bring in a particular use case. An example of this is when my sister, who is employed by a large organization in Poland, received a substantial increase in salary upon submitting her ENEB degree to HR. This is in addition to the salary bump she received for her UMPI degree in 2022.

What position is/was your sister in when she submitted the degree? Die she get a promotion or just a salary reise?
Which ENEB Master was it?

[KSoul]

In many cases where validation questions arise, the emphasis is placed on limited validation as opposed to the value that the degree can bring in a particular use case. An example of this is when my sister, who is employed by a large organization in Poland, received a substantial increase in salary upon submitting her ENEB degree to HR. This is in addition to the salary bump she received for her UMPI degree in 2022.

What position is/was your sister in when she submitted the degree? Die she get a promotion or just a salary reise?
Which ENEB Master was it?

She was a Process Engineer and now is a Supply Chain Manager overseeing a small international team that primarily operates remotely. This was a substantial pay increase and unlocked new roles requiring a master's in the organization. She earned an MBA & Master's in Supply Chain Management. She initially intended to get the International Trade instead of the Supply Chain; however, HR advised against it as it would not serve her for future promotions.