I emailed EIU to request additional information about the doctoral programs and would like to share what I was told (in paraphrased form):
The professional doctorate, along with the honorary DBA, are both “honorary” type degrees that require candidates to submit a “portfolio of evidences” for consideration. If this is successfully evaluated, then the fee is paid and the person is awarded their doctorate.
The practitioners doctorates and PhD are European-style doctorates with no coursework but with the requirement to complete a substantial, original research project. Previously published research can be submitted for consideration for the practitioners doctorate.
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The long and short is this: Doctorates are either Research/Academic-based or Professional-practice-based degrees. The latter doesn't usually require an "original research dissertation", but rather competency in the field at the "highest academic level" of practice.
So for example, any practicum based Medicine (M.D., OD, DDS, Doctor of Chiropractic, Doctor of Health Sciences, etc.,) are mostly skills based (12 years of OJT/In Filed Training alongside the academic university courses), practicum based and are usually licensed by a set of state and national exams, in order to practice. In most cases one must also have clinical hours of "real-world" experience under a seasoned licensed practitioner or organization to also qualify to practice...as in the Doctor of Psychology or Doctor of Social Work or Doctor of Counseling or Doctor of Physical Therapy...these examples dealing with both physical and mental health practice.
Unfortunately, there is misinformation here. Specifically, this post confuses professional doctorates with first professional doctorates. They are two different things.
Professional doctorates are very similar to scholarly doctorates (usually a PhD). In some systems, the professional doctorate has a "taught" component along with the doctoral thesis, while the PhD is thesis-only. In others, like the US, both are "taught"; they have courses followed by a dissertation. The difference is that the professional doctorate's dissertation advances practice while the scholarly doctorate advances scholarship--either by theory development or theory testing.
A first professional doctorate is another matter entirely. It is typically post-bachelor's (not master's) and does not normally include a master's along the way. It is 3-4 years of coursework; in some first professional doctorates students also undertake clinicals. The degree awarded qualifies the graduate to sit for licensure in the appropriate profession. Examples include the ones in the post above.
So, let's look at psychology and psychiatry. A psychiatrist earns an MD, which is a first professional doctorate. No thesis or dissertation. The Psychologist earns either the PhD or PsyD, the difference being the kind of research undertaken. The PhD would contribute to the scholarship in psychology while the PsyD would contribute to the practice of it.
The differences between first professional doctorates and academic (scholarly and professional) doctorates is stark. The difference between scholarly and professional doctorates can be muddied. Some doctorates with professional titles (like the EdD or DBA) are, in some schools, indistinguishable from the scholarly PhD. In other situations, the distinctions are clear and they hold. And there are plenty of people out there with a PhD whose dissertations didn't add to the scholarship in the field. But those are the distinctions between scholarly, professional, and first professional doctorates. Your mileage may vary.
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07-17-2023, 02:44 AM (This post was last modified: 07-17-2023, 02:47 AM by berlinerd.)
I just wanted to warn everybody who may be misled by above ad made by the representative of that school and may waste their time thinking about going there.
Firstly, you can see yourself their "office" at the address in Paris - just go to Google Maps and see yourself - 59 Rue Lamarck 75018 Paris.
Secondly, you can find their LinkedIn, and see what's going on. Open their Alumni and see if their people work anywhere at "reputable" companies. I know that's arbitrary term but you get the idea. If you open that school's LinkedIn alumni, you'll see that their alumni work at completely unknown companies from other regions but from North America and EU (why so if that is European and International?). In fact, that means that guys do predatory marketing and rip off people from developing countries misleading them with "international degrees". You can see it on your own: https://www.linkedin.com/school/eiu-paris/people/
added: there is a substantial amount of alumni of people from Greece and only Greece from the EU which means there is a specialized marketing towards people from Greece who struggle.
These guys do graduation ceremony in a luxury hotel in Kuala Lumpur (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ptEre7wz-Q&t=10s). I've never seen anything like that: can you imagine amount of money collected?
I am happy if those degrees work out for people who trusted that school - I really do wish them all the best, but that does not mean people should continue trusting them.
Encourage though everybody exercise their own judgment but I think that's enough of evidence to be doubtful at the very least.
(07-17-2023, 01:47 AM)pedagog Wrote: The European International University operates under the authority of the Ministry of National Education, Higher Education, Research, and Innovation. Essentially, we function under the supervision of these relevant ministries. This authorization and licensing grant EIU the power to award certifications to its students and graduates.
However, since our founders believed that EIU should provide programs to international students worldwide rather than exclusively catering to French students, we made a deliberate choice not to offer the typical "French-type" programs and degrees. Instead, we exclusively offer and run "international-type" programs, such as the BEd, BSITDS, BBA, MBA, MSIET, MSMHP, MSITDS, DBA, DMan, EdD, and PsyD. These programs are not typically offered at any traditional French higher education institutions.
The ministry in France is fully aware of this and supports our initiatives. They also acknowledge that EIU actively seeks and has obtained international accreditation and professional memberships from reputable Quality Assurance (QA) / Quality Control (QC) bodies. Detailed information about these accreditations and memberships can be found at https://eiu.ac/recognition-and-accreditation/.
Additionally, it may be beneficial to note that the EIU-Paris degrees have been evaluated as equivalent to regionally accredited university degrees in the US and Canada for the purpose of further studies and employment, both in those countries and elsewhere around the world, by https://validential.com/.
EIU has been awarded the prestigious Premier Accreditation status by the Accreditation Service for Schools, Colleges, and Universities (ASIC, UK). Additionally, it is currently the programmatic accreditation candidate for BBA, MBA and DBA by the Accreditation Council for Business Schools and Programs (ACBSP), a leading international accreditation agency that specializes in business education.
EIU is also endorsed by reputable names in international higher education quality assurance, such as ECBE, BGA (parent company of AMBA), ATHEA, and has been ranked as the World’s Top-55 B-school in the world for 2023 by CEOWORLD Magazine, US. Furthermore, EIU has earned a QS Intelligence Star Rating of 5 out of 5 on EDUCATION QUALITY and ONLINE LEARNING categories.
EIU is a private university that offers various undergraduate, postgraduate, and professional programs in business, management, entrepreneurship, education (teacher training), psychology, IT, and data science. It is based in Paris, France, and has a global reach with students from different parts of the world.
I'm okay with Validential to an extent. But what you really want are positive evaluations from places like ECE, IEE, WES, etc., because Validential is closer to a "last ditch effort" evaluator that one would use after exhausting better-recognized avenues. Also, no offense, but that ranking can't be taken seriously. You don't really believe your business program is one of the 55 best in the world. The school is virtually unknown, and I can assure you that just in the U.S. alone there are at least 500 business schools that would get ranked before EIU is even thought of. You don't want to overdo it with that kind of thing. If I'm EIU, here is what I'm doing:
- Posting the "authorization and licensing" certificates received from the Ministry of National Education, Higher Education, Research, and Innovation on your website.
- Linking to an official database that shows EIU is in it as being authorized and licensed to operate.
- Working with and encouraging students to submit their credentials to better-recognized foreign credential evaluation services.
- Keep your prices right where they are. I'm often puzzled by schools in this position that charge 10s of thousands of dollars. It never makes any sense because there is enough competition out there with better pricing that it has to be nearly impossible to stay afloat. Don't poke that bear.
- Getting students to submit the results of their foreign credential evaluations to you, and tailoring your programs to overcome anything that is preventing favorable evaluations. Often times, program length is what sinks legitimate schools. So sometimes just making a program a little longer can be the difference between a foreign Master's being evaluated as equivalent to a Master's in the United States, or it being evaluated as equivalent to a Bachelors degree... or less.
Sagan Wrote:It sounds like the school offers degrees beyond its recognized scope and is tolerated by French authorities in doing so for foreigners?
Yes, without authority or recognition in those 'outside countries' either. Even with the evaluation mentioned, it's a last ditch effort to make it valid. I would tread with caution (as I mentioned upthread). I wouldn't do anything until they get properly recognized and/or ACBSP and other accreditation is completed in full, not just candidacy state.
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And unlike with ESGCI, you can at least find them on ANABIN with -H ( degrees will not be recognized in Germany) score image: https://ibb.co/0BjZ8Qc
Interestingly enough, the other, oft-discussed Paris University of International Education does not appear in any of the aforementioned databases either. Neither the French nor the German ones.
Out of curiosity, I tried to look up EIU in the same registry, and it appears as a private distance learning institution, under the supervision of the Ministry of National Education. Screenshot attached.
Not knowing much about the French system of education nor its accreditation & legal protocols, I don't know what to say about the presence or lack of presence of these schools in various databases and registries.
07-18-2023, 01:06 AM (This post was last modified: 07-18-2023, 01:46 AM by Harry101.
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"Interestingly enough, the other, oft-discussed Paris University of International Education does not appear in any of the aforementioned databases either. Neither the French nor the German ones."
I wanted to correct this part of my post cause i think people are mixing or not aware how it works in France.
This link @Messdiener is applying for licensing from the;
a) Ministère de l'Éducation nationale, de l'Enfance et de la Jeunesse https://www.education.gouv.fr (Ministry of National Education and Youth)
Then i would avoid it. Especially if you can not find it on ANABIN or has a score H-. An easy guide for checking this is going to the https://www.enic-naric.net/page-France and browse for Recognised Higher Education Institutions. Safest and 100% most accurate.
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