Math after calculus?

[sirjake]

Another option is Oakton Community College (Oakton Community College). The cost is reasonable: $556.75 (including fees) for calculus 1 (it's a five credit course). They have most of the important math classes for engineers available online: calc 1, 2, 3, linear algebra, discrete mathematics and ordinary differential equations. Most of those would be cheaper than the above price because they are fewer credit hour classes.

I haven't taken any of these (yet), but I took a bunch of accounting classes through them and was generally very satisfied with the quality.

I'm still trying to figure out what to do about calc-based physics. If you find anything that's online, calculus based, RA, and includes a lab, let me know (there are no CC's or evening classes near where I live).

[irnbru]

Is it LSU which offers Calc 1 (limits/differentiation), Calc 2 (integrals), Calc 3 (multivariate)?

Think there was one online credit-bearin course in ordinary (but not partial?) differential equations.

BYU do a course in linear algebra.

EC offers a course called 'Discrete Structures'. It's sort of discrete maths-lite but touches on proofs, sequences, graphs, trees, etc.

Currently doing the free (non-credit bearing) game theory course with Stanford and intend to complete a game theory course at LSE through their external programme.

[Kaz]

I'm having second thoughts. I looked at both CC options for AS Math. At both schools, they use 100/200 level maths, but TESC wants 300 level in the associate degree. Am I reading that right? When I compared the course list requirements, the section "C" 9 credit requirement is full of upper level. I'm not sure if I want him doing that, because I'd actually like him to do his ul maths on campus when he enrolls in his BS. Not sure- still mulling it over.

Have you looked at that degree? What do you think? We are only looking at associates, narrowing it down between an AA general or the AS math
Thomas Edison State College: Mathematics

Yeah, that "C" section looks weird to me. Courses like abstract algebra and topology are basically never offered at two year schools so I don't know why they'd be required for a two year degree. Calc4 though is usually considered a 200 level course at most well known B&Ms.

Oh, I forgot to say, TESC seems to offer everything in-house, however, they are getting sooooo expensive that I'd consider them a last resort.

This is probably the pivot point. I can think of several schools offering upper-level math credit at a distance since I'm completing my bachelor's in it through said schools, but if he's going to be enrolled in TESC anyway you'd be hard pressed to find any real savings over TESC. The cheapest I can think of is Chadron State College at about $200 per hour. It's great. I just finished Abstract Algebra1 there and will be taking Analysis1 there in the fall and have enjoyed my whole experience thus far.

After that I think the next cheapest is NetMath from U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign but for you it might be the cheapest (you live in Illinois right?). You have to e-mail them about tuition rates for resident high schoolers. If you don't get a better rate it's about $375 per hour. After that there's U of Idaho's Engineering Outreach at $574 per hour (I'll be finishing up here in 2013) and Mercy College at $706 per hour (I'd rather be dragged into a parking lot and punched in the face but YMMV).

• Degree Programs - Mathematics - Chadron State College
  
• https://mycsc.nebraska.edu/psp/mycsc/NBC...TION=CSC01
  
• Course List | NetMath at the University of Illinois
  
• Courses - Engineering Outreach
  
• https://www.mercy.edu/academics/school-o...thematics/
  

The bookkeeping can get a little hairy though because even though TESC just dumps an unsorted list of bullet points in that "C" section some are pre-reqs of others so there isn't really that much leeway. For instance, they list Advanced Calculus in "C" but almost every school that offers that course requires a "proof writing" course as a pre-req which goes by any number of names like, Chadron calls it "History & Foundations of Mathematics" while at Rutgers we called it "Introduction to Mathematical Reasoning". And Adv.Calc by definition has Calc4 as a pre-req which is also in section "C". So you'd be done with 6 of the 9 credits in that section before you clear the pre-reqs for Adv.Calc. So you'd really need to parse that section against the offerings you find so that you don't get painted into a corner by needing just one more course by rule but in reality needing more than one because of pre-req issues. Good luck either way and feel free to ask me anything you'd like as this is probably the one thing I know about on this forum lol cheersmate

P.S.
Upper-level maths usually baffle the first line of advisers I run into. They usually have to go to a department head or something when I ask them if such-and-such a course at blah-blah-school fulfills their whateva-requirement. Not many people ask questions about upper-level math I guess.

[Yenisei]

Their math and statistics courses aren't available outside of Europe, but if you do live there, check out the UK's Open University for UL Math courses- they have a broad selection and their course materials are excellent. One drawback is that there is only one exam at the end of the course, and that's a lot of material to know for one exam (their UL courses are equivalent to 7.5 US semester credits, or, more rarely, 15).

[cookderosa]

Yeah, that "C" section looks weird to me. Courses like abstract algebra and topology are basically never offered at two year schools so I don't know why they'd be required for a two year degree. Calc4 though is usually considered a 200 level course at most well known B&Ms.



This is probably the pivot point. I can think of several schools offering upper-level math credit at a distance since I'm completing my bachelor's in it through said schools, but if he's going to be enrolled in TESC anyway you'd be hard pressed to find any real savings over TESC. The cheapest I can think of is Chadron State College at about $200 per hour. It's great. I just finished Abstract Algebra1 there and will be taking Analysis1 there in the fall and have enjoyed my whole experience thus far.

After that I think the next cheapest is NetMath from U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign but for you it might be the cheapest (you live in Illinois right?). You have to e-mail them about tuition rates for resident high schoolers. If you don't get a better rate it's about $375 per hour. After that there's U of Idaho's Engineering Outreach at $574 per hour (I'll be finishing up here in 2013) and Mercy College at $706 per hour (I'd rather be dragged into a parking lot and punched in the face but YMMV).

• Degree Programs - Mathematics - Chadron State College
  
• https://mycsc.nebraska.edu/psp/mycsc/NBC...TION=CSC01
  
• Course List | NetMath at the University of Illinois
  
• Courses - Engineering Outreach
  
• https://www.mercy.edu/academics/school-o...thematics/
  

The bookkeeping can get a little hairy though because even though TESC just dumps an unsorted list of bullet points in that "C" section some are pre-reqs of others so there isn't really that much leeway. For instance, they list Advanced Calculus in "C" but almost every school that offers that course requires a "proof writing" course as a pre-req which goes by any number of names like, Chadron calls it "History & Foundations of Mathematics" while at Rutgers we called it "Introduction to Mathematical Reasoning". And Adv.Calc by definition has Calc4 as a pre-req which is also in section "C". So you'd be done with 6 of the 9 credits in that section before you clear the pre-reqs for Adv.Calc. So you'd really need to parse that section against the offerings you find so that you don't get painted into a corner by needing just one more course by rule but in reality needing more than one because of pre-req issues. Good luck either way and feel free to ask me anything you'd like as this is probably the one thing I know about on this forum lol cheersmate

P.S.
Upper-level maths usually baffle the first line of advisers I run into. They usually have to go to a department head or something when I ask them if such-and-such a course at blah-blah-school fulfills their whateva-requirement. Not many people ask questions about upper-level math I guess.

Kaz, thanks a bunch. I'm still undecided. My son has a year of HS left, but is leaning toward a specific mechanical engineering program. He's visiting them this June for camp. "IF" I get so lucky as having a year of advanced warning where he'd like to attend, I'll have to decide how to best merge his credits into THAT program. Additionally, if they don't accept block credit, I don't see me jumping through the TESC hoops $$. His credits now are all through ACE (SL, ALEKS) not yet through CLEP/DSST, so right "now" he doesn't have any thing to "transfer" somewhere other than an ACE-friendly school. I don't know yet how we'll proceed. Truthfully, if he decides on this program, I'd rather he get his STEM courses in-house. Seriously, isn't that the point? That said, he has to do something for school, so I'm still considering other ideas.

In short, keep the ideas coming.