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Anyone who can walk me through this. What classes can I take to knock out my liberal arts degree. Will FEMA and Criminal Justice go towards my applied professional hours? So many questions. This forum is a life saver. I appreciate all of your time.
1. Degree Template.
Arts and Sciences Credits (60) + Additional Credits (60) = Total Degree Credits Required (120)
Credits Needed
ARTS AND SCIENCES
Arts and Sciences Lower Level 12.00
Arts and Sciences Upper Level 21.00
TOTAL ARTS AND SCIENCES REMAINING 33.00
APPLIED PROFESSIONAL or ADDITIONAL ARTS AND SCIENCES
Any Academic Area Lower Level 30.00
Any Academic Area Upper Level 3.00
TOTAL IN ANY ACADEMIC AREA REMAINING 33.00
Totals listed above must include the following requirements: 0.00
General Education Requirement:
Written English 6.00
Humanities Distribution 6.00
Humanities Core 0.00
Social Sciences/History Distribution 0.00
Natural Sciences/Math Distribution 5.00
Math Requirement 2.00
Natural Science requirement 2.00
Information Literacy 1.00
Capstone Course Requirement 3.00
Depth Requirement in the Arts and Sciences (Depth 1)
(included in the total Arts and Sciences)
Upper Level Depth 1 3.00
Lower Level Depth 1 9.00
Depth Requirement in Any Academic Area (Depth 2)
Upper Level Depth 2 0.00
Lower Level Depth 2 0.00
* Humanities core requires coursework outside of writing in disciplines such as art, music and philosophy.
** Depth - 12 credits total, 3 at the upper level.
Note: Overall, a minimum of thirty upper level credits are required for degree completion. Often times the number of upper
level credits required exceeds the number of "total arts and sciences" and/or the number of "total additional requirements"
needed. In these cases students are required to earn the greater number of credits.
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Bachelor of Science Degree, Liberal Arts
Degree Code: BSL
2. List of credits preliminarily reviewed toward your Excelsior College degree requirements.
Courses/exams that are not applicable to the remaining degree requirements are not included on the list of credits
preliminarily reviewed.
Excelsior College does not award credit for high-school level GED examinations, continuing education units,
Carnegie units or orientation courses. Transfer credits with a grade of D along with remedial and/or non-degree
level courses are not transferable. Any courses falling into these categories will not be reflected on the
Preliminary Review. A maximum of two semester hours of credit can be awarded for physical education courses.
Excess physical education credit will not be reflected on the Preliminary Review.
Symbol Courses Applied Credits Level Depth
SAM HOUSTON STATE UNIVERSITY
POL*261 PRIN OF AMER GOVM NATL & STATE 3.0 L
KIN*116 VARSITY SPORTS 1.0 L
KIN*214 WGT TRAIN & PHY CONDITIONING 1.0 L
KIN*265 COACHING BASEBALL & TRACK 3.0 L
PSY*100 PSYCHOLOGY 3.0 L
KIN*230 FIRST AID - RED CROSS INSTR CR 3.0 L
H MUS*265 MUSIC APPRECIATION 3.0 L
ECO*233 PRINCIPLES OF MICROECONOMICS 3.0 L
HIS*163 UNITED STATES HISTORY TO 1876 3.0 L
GBA*281 BUSINESS LEGAL ENVIRONMENT 3.0 L
TRANSFER CREDIT: LONE STAR COLLEGE SYSTEM
GBA*181 BUSINESS PRINCIPLES 3.0 L
ECO*234 PRINCIPLES OF MACROECONOMICS 3.0 L
SOC*261 PRINCIPLES OF SOCIOLOGY 3.0 L
CS*143 INTRO COMPUTING FOR SOCIAL SCI 4.0 L
CJ*465 PROFESSIONALISM & ETHICS IN CJ 3.0 U 2
Bachelor of Science Degree, Liberal Arts
Degree Code: BSL
Symbol Courses Applied Credits Level Depth
CJ*268 CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION 3.0 L 2
CJ*262 CRIMINOLOGY 3.0 L 2
CJ*261 INTRO TO THE CRIM JUSTICE SYS 3.0 L
CJ*430 LAW AND SOCIETY 3.0 U 2
SYMBOL KEY
H Humanities Core Requirement Satisfied
Bachelor of Science Degree, Liberal Arts
Degree Code: BSL
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Course Reason for Exclusion
(KIN*116) VARSITY SPORTS Phys Ed credits
(ENG*165) COMPOSITION II Course content reviewed upon enrollment
(KIN*116) VARSITY SPORTS Phys Ed credits
(KIN*116) VARSITY SPORTS Phys Ed credits
(PSY*131) INTRODUCTION TO PSYCHOLOGY Course content reviewed upon enrollment
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Were you the one who asked about applied professional hours on the other forum? Jonathan Whatley explained that applied professional hours are not required; they are just allowed for a certain number of credits. Your plan says applied professional OR additional arts and sciences. Criminal Justice is a social science at Excelsior, so it is not applied professional. Remember, your FEMA credits have to be transcribed by Frederick Community College first, and they charge $77 per credit hour. I don't know if Excelsior accepts FEMAs from any other college, but it's still probably going to cost you money. For $100, you can take a test that is worth 3-6 credit hours. You can potentially earn more with the language CLEPs. Three FEMA credits transcribed by FCC is going to cost you $231.
I see that you already have credit for Intro to Criminal Justice. Even though the Criminal Justice DSST is transcribed with a different course number, you'd want to verify with Excelsior that they won't treat it as a duplicate. Other than that, I really don't understand Excelsior's pre-enrollment evaluations. LOL. More knowledgeable members will chime in.
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Spend $75 at COSC and see how they stack up.....you can accomplish the same end with less $$$ I think. COSC may even give you a preliminary without the application fee. I'll try to take a closer look at it in the morning.
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Thanks I will apply at cosc. Everytime I call excelsior to ask a question they are short and it seems they can't give me a clear answer. so for now, i should focus on arts and sciences because those can go towards either.
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Are all of your completed credits listed? If so I think you need the following at COSC:
Gen Ed: General Education Requirements - Charter Oak State College Catalog
I saw Eng. Comp 2, but not 1....I will assume you have them both, If not you need both.
Speech, DSST ($80)...many have been able to get this requirement waived with evidence of some experience public speaking. Ever taught a class or preached in church?
Non US History (3 credits needed), and Global Understanding (3)...you can satisfy both requirements with one DSST Human Cultural Geography (3) ($80)
College Algebra of CLEP College Math (check to make sure they are still taking College Math before you do it) ...Straighterline, Aleks, CLEP, DSST ($80-$150ish, depends on how you do it).
Thats it for gen eds and will bring your credit total to 83 (75 existing plus 2 DSST's (6 credits) and a Math (3)) you have room for 4 FEMA or just about any easy credits you want to take (analyzing and Interpreting Lit is easy and gives 6 credits....your also going to get 3 credits for the cornerstone which takes you to 90 credits. (note 6 credits are at the UL, you count them that way...and I would...you need 6 more LL credits....again FEMA for free or cheap and easy CLEP/DSST....whatever you want to take.
You would then need 30 UL credits, Liberal Arts is fine...but you have other options. You can complete 18 UL in one concentration and the other 12 in another...3 UL will be in your main concentration as the capstone.
I would at least do a "second concentration" in CJ....you only need one CJ sounding course to finish that (that would be 9 UL and plus your LL to meet 36 credits total, it would allow one three credit UL elective...or take that in a CJ related area as well). The DSST Substance Abuse would work well here ($80)
The 18 Credit primary concentration is only 5 three credit classes plus the capstone. Organizational Leadership is probably almost doable by testing. Your degree would be BS in General Studies with dual concentrations in Org. Leadership and Criminal Justice. It could look something like this for the primary concentration:
3 Capstone
3 Operations Management TECEP ($100)
3 Strategic Management TECEP ($100)
3 Marketing Communications TECEP ($100)
3 Human Resources Management (100)
3 ECE Organizational Behavior (Excelsior Exam) ($100)
Alternates:
Labor Relations (EC) (3)
DSST Business Law 2 (3)
Advertising TECEP (3)
Of course you can skip the Org Leadership and just do LA instead, the COSC mater exam list is here....just find 15- 21 UL LA credits.....I would still add the UL Substance Abuse DSST and knock out a second concentration in CJ! http://www.charteroak.edu/current/academ...r-list.pdf
Looks like 9 exams, 2 COSC courses taken over 2 semesters, cost would roughly be as follows:
Exams: $1000
Semester 1: http://www.charteroak.edu/prospective/tuition/
Enrollment fee $240, Cornerstone $1000,
Semester 2:
Enrollment Fee $240, Capstone $1000, Graduation Fee $205
Around $3500-$4000 total depending on how you slice it up.
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Accept for 25 hours of FEMA i was doing for work. Comp 2 I got a "D" so I don't think they will take it. I'm an NRA Pistol Instructor at work so I'll bet they waive the Speech, hopefully. Other than my Law Enforcement Academy. I know a regionally accredited Community College that will transcribe my police academy to college hours but at this point would it even be worth it. It's like $1600 for 30 plus CJ hours. Would that make the process a little easier.
So basically I have 25 Fema courses and could have 30 hours of Criminal Justice.
Thanks for looking over my eval and taking the time.
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jayboy Wrote:Accept for 25 hours of FEMA i was doing for work. Comp 2 I got a "D" so I don't think they will take it. I'm an NRA Pistol Instructor at work so I'll bet they waive the Speech, hopefully. Other than my Law Enforcement Academy. I know a regionally accredited Community College that will transcribe my police academy to college hours but at this point would it even be worth it. It's like $1600 for 30 plus CJ hours. Would that make the process a little easier.
So basically I have 25 Fema courses and could have 30 hours of Criminal Justice.
Thanks for looking over my eval and taking the time. I don't think there is any need to spend the money to have your CJ Cert transcribed into credit...it would likely all be at the LL and you already have plenty of that. With that said, you should forward a copy of your CJ Cert/license as it may be evaluated for credit at any of the Big 3 anyway and without cost.
Not all FEMA count for college credit IC 100, 200, 700, and 800 that you probably had to take aren't worth any credits.....but plenty of the rest is. COSC and TESC take these for free directly from FEMA (EC makes you cycle them through FCC for about $80/credit). There is a list for what TESC accepts....COSC should take anything that's listed as being for College Credit on the FEMA IS website Emergency Management Institute | Independent Study (IS) - Course List
COSC will also accept the DSST Technical Writing as a substitute for English Comp 2 (if you completed ENG Comp 1)...its a straightforward test you can knock out without too much trouble. I think COSC will give you 3 credits for the "D" but your gonna have to pass an exam or pass a course with a C or better since English Comp is a core gen ed.
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Good on the NRA Cert....I suspect that will suffice for the COSC Speech requirement. There is a process to undertake Publius on this board recently completed his speech waiver, he should be able to explain the process....he posted on it in the last few months.
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I already did my cosc application online so what i'll do is send my college transcript, police academy cert, NRA Instructor Cert, and my FEMA courses.
I will definitely take that Technical Writing course.
Thanks again. I'm sure I'll have more questions lol. Amazing how helpful you've been. I did read where COSC accepts college math so that one should be easier than College Algebra.
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jayboy Wrote:I already did my cosc application online so what i'll do is send my college transcript, police academy cert, NRA Instructor Cert, and my FEMA courses.
I will definitely take that Technical Writing course.
Thanks again. I'm sure I'll have more questions lol. Amazing how helpful you've been. I did read where COSC accepts college math so that one should be easier than College Algebra. We're here when you need us.
BTW, the NRA cert won't automatically count for anything but it will likely be enough to request a speech class waiver...there is a mechanism for it.
The study guide here is likely enough to pass Tech Writing: freeclepprep.com
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