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Showing TESU grade equiv for CR
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At WGU, the back of the transcript explains that CR is equivalent to at least a B grade or 3.0.

How can I prove to a school that my undergrad CR at TESU was at least considered a C grade by TESU?

More specifically, I need the school to see that TESU counted one of my CLEP exam scores as a C, plus one of my ALEKS or AP exam scores.
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#2
Would they take a screenshot of the TESU website where it shows that?

For the other question, can they use your academic eval to see the letter grades?

Maybe those would work?
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(01-04-2020, 09:30 AM)suzycupcake Wrote: Would they take a screenshot of the TESU website where it shows that?

For the other question, can they use your academic eval to see the letter grades?

Maybe those would work?

Perhaps, but does anyone know where TESU says that? I found a spot where TESU says that assessment credit doesn't receive a grade and doesn't say anything useful for this situation. I also found that TESU says transfer credit needs to be a C to apply to a degree, but I don't think my credits count as "transfer".

I don't know what you mean about the eval. I don't have letter grades for these. They were CLEP and ALEKS/AP.
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#4
There isn't a grade.

You passed a pass/fail courses.

If you want letter grades to show up on a transcript, you can transfer NCCRS credits to COSC.
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(01-04-2020, 12:30 PM)tjguitar85 Wrote: There isn't a grade.

You passed a pass/fail courses.

If you want letter grades to show up on a transcript, you can transfer NCCRS credits to COSC.

I know that. I'm talking about grade equivalencies and how to show them. 70 is considered the cutoff for most ACE courses, etc. (And in this case it was a graded CLEP and graded AP exam.)
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(01-04-2020, 10:20 PM)Ideas Wrote: I know that. I'm talking about grade equivalencies and how to show them. 70 is considered the cutoff for most ACE courses, etc. (And in this case it was a graded CLEP and graded AP exam.)

TESU doesn't consider it a C, just as a credit. Showing a "grade equivalency" doesn't make any sense. What exactly are you trying to do?
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(01-03-2020, 11:35 PM)Ideas Wrote: At WGU, the back of the transcript explains that CR is equivalent to at least a B grade or 3.0.

How can I prove to a school that my undergrad CR at TESU was at least considered a C grade by TESU?

More specifically, I need the school to see that TESU counted one of my CLEP exam scores as a C, plus one of my ALEKS or AP exam scores.

That isn't how it works.

All transfer courses, regardless of whether they are CR, PASS, or graded credits come into TESU as a course equivalency. Internally this means they just check off a box in the list of courses required to graduate. Those courses weren't taken at TESU so grades don't really come into play since they don't affect your institutional GPA. Transfer credits only affect your transfer GPA, but non-graded credits are ignored in that calculation.

Of course, TESU does require that certain courses must be completed with a minimum grade to meet degree requirements. So their internal rule of thumb is that all CR/PASS credits are considered to be the equivalent of a "C" for the purpose of meeting the TESU degree requirements. This does not mean that any other institution needs to follow their rule of thumb. In fact, most institutions will have their own evaluation rules that they follow.

The CLEP and ALEKS courses were not taken at TESU, so TESU would not make recommendations for how other schools should interpret those credits anyway. If you need a graded credit interpretation, it has to come from CLEP/ACE and I know CLEP stopped making grade equivalency recommendations more than a decade ago. It is up to the individual schools to determine how to evaluate such credits, heck many colleges don't accept CLEP or ACE at all. Even if they are used to complete a degree elsewhere, they are often dismissed when considering graduate degree applications, etc.

tl;dr version: It doesn't work that way. No college will care how another college interprets ungraded transfer credits from an outside credit provider. They only care about the courses that are taken directly from their school. For transfer credits, each college has their own approach to evaluation. This may or may not consider how the school transferring the credits interprets their own credits.

I hope that clears things up a bit.
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(01-05-2020, 03:45 PM)davewill Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 10:20 PM)Ideas Wrote: I know that. I'm talking about grade equivalencies and how to show them. 70 is considered the cutoff for most ACE courses, etc. (And in this case it was a graded CLEP and graded AP exam.)

TESU doesn't consider it a C, just as a credit. Showing a "grade equivalency" doesn't make any sense. What exactly are you trying to do?

This grad school is saying that I need to show that my TESU CR undergrad courses were actually a C equivalent (or better). In my opinion it is ridiculous because TESU gave me a degree. In my case, I took the specific prereq courses through CLEP and ALEKS (or I may be able to use a different course, like an AP exam credit).

But I feel like this is why WGU will state that CR means at least a B. So that employers or grad schools who have these policies can read that one sentence on WGU's transcript and say that you checked their box. It helps their graduates avoid these situations. 

I am unsure if TESU has some statement that suffices. Although, of course TESU is not going to give someone a CR when they only had a D equivalent in a course. That is the whole point of CLEP/AP giving scores and schools deciding what score gets credit, and the whole point of ACE having reviewed the ALEKS courses, etc. It's pretty standardized across schools (for CLEP/AP at least), but that doesn't mean this grad school knows about that or considers that.
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(01-05-2020, 10:51 PM)Ideas Wrote: This grad school is saying that I need to show that my TESU CR undergrad courses were actually a C equivalent (or better). In my opinion it is ridiculous because TESU gave me a degree. In my case, I took the specific prereq courses through CLEP and ALEKS (or I may be able to use a different course, like an AP exam credit).

But I feel like this is why WGU will state that CR means at least a B. So that employers or grad schools who have these policies can read that one sentence on WGU's transcript and say that you checked their box. It helps their graduates avoid these situations.
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In the case of WGU, they are talking about their own courses. They make no such assertion about transfer credit. In fact, they accept transfer courses with grades lower than B, so it obviously doesn't apply to transfer credit. The CLEPs are not "TESU CR undergrad courses" but transfer credit. For their own TECEPs they DO state they are at least a C:

https://www.tesu.edu/degree-completion/e...cep-credit

Your grad school would probably have to evaluate the CLEP directly from the source, NOT via the TESU transcript.
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(01-05-2020, 10:51 PM)Ideas Wrote:
(01-05-2020, 03:45 PM)davewill Wrote:
(01-04-2020, 10:20 PM)Ideas Wrote: I know that. I'm talking about grade equivalencies and how to show them. 70 is considered the cutoff for most ACE courses, etc. (And in this case it was a graded CLEP and graded AP exam.)

TESU doesn't consider it a C, just as a credit. Showing a "grade equivalency" doesn't make any sense. What exactly are you trying to do?

This grad school is saying that I need to show that my TESU CR undergrad courses were actually a C equivalent (or better). In my opinion it is ridiculous because TESU gave me a degree. In my case, I took the specific prereq courses through CLEP and ALEKS (or I may be able to use a different course, like an AP exam credit).

But I feel like this is why WGU will state that CR means at least a B. So that employers or grad schools who have these policies can read that one sentence on WGU's transcript and say that you checked their box. It helps their graduates avoid these situations. 

I am unsure if TESU has some statement that suffices. Although, of course TESU is not going to give someone a CR when they only had a D equivalent in a course. That is the whole point of CLEP/AP giving scores and schools deciding what score gets credit, and the whole point of ACE having reviewed the ALEKS courses, etc. It's pretty standardized across schools (for CLEP/AP at least), but that doesn't mean this grad school knows about that or considers that.

I would contact TESU and just ask them to send you documentation where a CR is considered passing. For employment I have run into this issue as well, most though will automatically assume if you received credit then you received a passing grade.
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