Totally BUMMED OUT about Nat. Sci/Math degree at TESC

[bogey72]

BA Free Electives (27 SH)
> Complete 27 semester hours of Free Electives.
!! Exception
2 s.h. Credit overage in Concentration group 2.

Semester Hours Completed: 27.31
Src Course # Title S.H. Grd TESC # Notes
2.. CHM233 Org Chemistry II Lab..... 3.33 A CHE-341 *CC *TE
2.. CHM234 Org Chemistry II Lab..... 3.33 A CHE-342 *CC *TE
3.. PUBH3203 Emergency Diag & Toxic Sc 3.33 A HEA-194 *TE
3.. DIAG3106 Lab Diagnosis............ 4.00 A BIO-399 *TE

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3.. MICR2202 Pathogenic Microbiology.. 3.33 A BIO-351 *TE
4.. PHY203 Gen Physics.............. 3.33 B PHY-115 *CC *TE
3.. PHYS1202 Neuromuscular Physiology. 3.33 B BIO-417 *TE
3.. CHEM1203 Biochemistry II.......... 3.33 B BCH-412 *TE
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OTHER COURSES:
Src Course # Title S.H. Grd TESC # Notes
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3 CHIR1326 Chiro Philosophy & Soc 2.00 A FEL-199 *TE
3 DIAG1301 Orthopedic Diagnosis 2.00 A CHR-361 *TE
3 ANAT2307 Embryology 2.67 B BIO-411 *TE
3 PHYS2305 Endocrinology 2.67 B BIO-403 *TE
3 MICR3205 Pathogenic Microbiology I 2.00 A BIO-352 *TE
3 CHIR1104 Chiropractic Philosophy 0.67 CR CHR-201 *TE
3 TECH5215 New Life Cerivcal Tech 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE

3 DIAG2102 Visceral Diagnosis 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PHYS1303 Visceral Physiology 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
2 BUS100 Int to Business 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE*CC
1 MED191 Emer Med Tech Basic 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADD4106 Soft Tissue Path 4.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PUBH3304 Nutrition in Health & Dis 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 DIAG3307 Genitourinary Clin Ass 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADD3204 Hard Tissue Path 4.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1124 Holistic Wellness 0.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH1101 Spinal Anatomy 3.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1104 Philosophy of Chiro 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 ANAT1102 Histology 2.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHEM1102 Biochemistry I 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1122 Medical Terminology 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1123 Body Survey & Control 4.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1121 History of Chiropractic 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PUBH1201 Cpr Basic Life Support 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1225 Biomechanics 0.00 PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1224 Chiro Philosophy & Soc 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR2109 Philosophy of Chiroprac 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADI2101 Radiology Normal Radio 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH2105 Life Cervical Technique I 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PUBH2102 Basic Nutrition 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH2106 Lcc Upper Cerv Spec 0.00 PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADI2104 X-Ray Full Spine Analy 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR2210 Philosophy of Chiro 0.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH2207 Life Cervical Tech 0.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 ANAT2206 Neuroanatomy Cns 2.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 DIAG2204 Neuro Diagnosis 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PHYS2204 Physiology Lab 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH2208 Full Spine II 0.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADI2202 Radiology Physics 3.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 ANAT2308 Neuro Anatomy Pns 2.67 B PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PATH2303 Pathology I 2.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR2312 Chiro Wellness II 0.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR2311 Philosophy of Chiro 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN2301 Clinic Proficiency 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 DIAG2305 Special Senses Diagnos 2.67 B PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1207 Philosophy of Chiroprac 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PATH3104 Pathology II 2.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN3102 Entrance Prof Outpati 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 ANLS3105 Muscle Testing 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE

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3 RADI3103 Radiology Full Spine P 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN3105 Practicum 4.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1207 Philosophy of Chiroprac 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN3206 Practicum 4.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PPRL3201 Patient Lecture 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PUBH3202 Basic Public Health 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR3328 Mgmt of Accident Cases 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN3307 Practicum 4.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADD3305 Film Reading 0.67 B PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH4211 Life J Clay Thompson T 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN4108 Practicum 4.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR4117 Chiro Wellness 0.67 B PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 DIAG4108 Clin Assess Review Brd 3.33 B PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PPRL3302 Practice Management 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PPRL5205 Life Principles & Direct 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1207 Chiropractic Philosophy 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR4331 Office Management 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR3214 Philosophy of Chiro 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR4229 Immunology and Disease Pa 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR4230 Report Writing 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR5221 Chiropractic Wellness 0.67 B PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN4209 Practicum 4.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE

3 PSYC4203 Chir Patient Mental Healt 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PUBH4205 Obstetrics and Gynecol 2.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RSCH4301 Intro to Research Method 0.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH4209 Cervical Chair Knee Chest 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR3214 Philosophy of Chiro 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN4310 Practicum 4.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 DIAG4309 Geriatrics & Ped Clin Ass 2.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 DIAG4310 Integrated Clin Assess 3.33 B PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 PPRL5104 Ethics & Professional Re 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH4312 Pediatric Adjusting 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH4313 Sacro-Occipital Techniqu 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR3214 Philosophy of Chiro 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH3317 Activator Technique 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN5214 Practicum 4.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR5132 Insurance Management 2.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN5104 Exit Proficiency 2.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN5111 Practicum 4.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE

[bogey72]

3 DIAG3208 Vertebral Subluxation 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADI5107 Extremity Placement 0.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH5115 Technique Review 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADI5108 Advanced Imaging & Ins 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH5214 Extremity Manipulation 0.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1104 Chiropractric Philosophy 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1133 Comp Lit for Chiro 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR5206 Acct in the Chiro Prac 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CLIN5203 Financial Management 2.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 BYS114 General Zoology 4.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 BYS313 Anatomy & Physiology I 4.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 HPE105 Beginning Karate 1.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 CH105 Intro Chemistry Lab 1.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 HPE220 Scuba 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 CH125 General Chemistry Lab 1.00 B PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 CH126 Gen Inorganic Chem Lab II 1.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 SH102 Elementary Spanish II 3.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 HPE131 Volleyball 1.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 MED193 Emt Basic Lab 1.00 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE

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2 CIS196V Ms Dos 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE*CC
2 CIS1960 Windows 3.1 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE*CC
3 ANLS1202 Instrumentation 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 ANAT1203 Osteology and Arthrolo 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH1303 Lcc Full Spine Tech I 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADI1301 X-Ray Upper Cerv Analy 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 RADI2105 X-Ray Upper Cerv Anal 3.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 CHIR1308 Philosophy of Chiroprac 0.67 CR PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 ANAT2105 Gross Dissection II 2.67 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 TECH1304 Upper Cerv Specific 1.33 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 ANLS1201 Palpation 2.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
3 ANAT1304 Gross Dissection I 4.00 B PSR-199 *RI*TE
1 BYS112 General Biology 4.00 A PSR-199 *RI*TE
(Credits in parentheses are anticipated earned)
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Student Remarks:
09/13/11 Students who wish to earn a second baccalaureate degree must complete
a minimum of 24 additional credits in the area of study/core beyond
the date the most recent degree was completed. Courses completed
beyond the date all prior degrees were completed will be labeled as
"NEW". The College will not award a third baccalaureate degree.

Our records indicate that you earned a Doctoral degree in Chiropratic
on 1998 from Life University.

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09/13/11 College records indicate you have completed graduate level credits
from Life University. The College will accept a maximum of 30 s.h. of
credit from an accredited graduate program toward the requirements of
a baccalaureate or associate degree. However, please be advised that
many graduate programs will not accept graduate credits toward their
graduate degrees if those credits were applied to an undergraduate
degree. If you expect to apply the graduate credits toward a graduate
degree, you should consult the graduate school you plan to attend
before applying these credits toward your Thomas Edison State College
degree.
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09/13/11 Thomas Edison State College will accept a maximum of 80 semester hours

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(s.h.) of transfer credit from junior, county or community college
toward a baccalaureate degree. Students are responsible for adhering
to this policy.
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09/14/11 RE: Life University Transcript

Thomas Edison State College measures credits in terms of semester
hours (s.h.). Credit transferred from colleges using quarter hours are
converted to semester hour credits.

From Quarter Hour Credits To Semester Hour Credits
1 .67
2 1.33
3 2.00
4 2.67
5 3.33
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10/28/11 Dear Dr. DOE,

We have finally completed the update of your second degree BA/NAS as
requested. You are required under our stated policy to earn 24 NEW
CREDITS in your CORE/Major Area of Study. The area to be completed is
A: UPPER LEVEL. You have completed 11 new credits in the MAJOR Area of
Study: 8 credits in your Concentration (lower level) and 3 credits in
the Upper Level, leaving you with 13 more NEW Upper Level, (300-400
level) Natural Science credits to complete in your Major Area of Study
and 1.67 Credits to complete in your Social Sciences under your
General Education Area/C. I have highlighted everything for ease of
location.

Once you have completed the NEW credits and satisfied your Social

Science credit requirements, we will update your academic evaluation
to reflect the changes.

I hope that I have explained everything to your satisfaction. A copy
of this explanation has been emailed to you and you may view your
academic evaluation at any time by going to our website,
http://www.tesc.edu/student services/my Edison/online student services/view
my academic evaluation.

I wish you success! You are well on your way to achieving your goal of
earning a second degree.

Best wishes,

Celeste Wynn, M.Ed
BA Program Advisor


NOTES

*CC Community College Credit
*NEW New course to 2nd degree
*RI Ruled Ineligible for this program
*TE Transfer Equivalency

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*U Used! - has already been used elsewhere

[Lindagerr]

Wow you do have a Lot of credits. I would suggest option #1. Global Enviro Change is not a bad class if you have a basic understanding (which you obviously have) of bio and chemistry. You might find some of the topics interesting. I just warn you the guided study might be better for you. I found trying to use scientific basis for discussions in the online class often left me frustrated and talking to a brick wall. I do find that some of the topics we covered do come up in conversations.

** I forgot to mention I took the class ~ 2 yrs ago and the books and syllabus have been changed since then.

[bricabrac]

:iagree: For the current BS NS/M program I agree with Linda's feedback, option #1 looks best.

Since enrolling have you registered for access to your online student services? Under the academic evaluation link you will see the "what can I study option?" It's a drop down menu. Scroll down to BA Biology and submit, choose the current catalog and a new unofficial evaluation will load. (FYI, this is only a what if scenario, that reverts back to the original once you leave the option.) It sure seems like you are closer to the BA, Biology degree. I'm looking at the 8 new principles of bio I/II sitting under concentration B, along with the 16 credits you are currently working on...am I crazy or does that not equal 24 NEW credits that would fall under the area of study. Looks like you have the needed physics and chem courses. There is a genetics requirement that you may or may not already have but it couldn't hurt to take a look.

The great news is you are certainly very close to the finish line! Good luck!

[ryoder]

I just completed the Global Env Change class and it was probably the easiest class I ever took in my college career. It required some decent size writing assignments but the tests were simple and so were the assignments.
I would love to see how far you are from a BA Bio degree as well. The Natural Science/Math is a great well rounded liberal arts degree but it is not as rigorous as a true major.
I don't see A&P I&II on your plan but I must have missed that. Straighterline has those classes if you want to take them for 6CR 200 level credit.


For general upper level science credit you can also take the MIS DSST Test for 300 level, the Network Technology Tecep for 300 level and the DSST Environment and Humanity for 200 level.
TESC's PLAs also can work for you.

[bogey72]

I was originally evaluated for a BA BIO degree and switched to Nat. Sci/Math after a disappointing eval for the BIO degree. If I recall correctly, I needed Genetics/Cell Biology/Microbiology and several other courses. I remember thinking that if I had to take that many classes, I would just stick with my B&M school which would be cheaper. However, I really don't think it will make much difference which degree I get. I plan to teach and I believe the state board of education will not only look at my degree but I think I could show my additional chiropractic college classes and make a good case that I have plenty of Bio and science credits to be eligible for Alternative Certification.

I'll check with the state board of education before I make a final decision.

[bricabrac]

I was originally evaluated for a BA BIO degree and switched to Nat. Sci/Math after a disappointing eval for the BIO degree. If I recall correctly, I needed Genetics/Cell Biology/Microbiology and several other courses. I remember thinking that if I had to take that many classes, I would just stick with my B&M school which would be cheaper. However, I really don't think it will make much difference which degree I get. I plan to teach and I believe the state board of education will not only look at my degree but I think I could show my additional chiropractic college classes and make a good case that I have plenty of Bio and science credits to be eligible for Alternative Certification.

I'll check with the state board of education before I make a final decision.

bogey72,

Darn, sorry to hear that as you certainly have a lot of UL Bio courses but NS/M is definitely a great substitute. I still think Global Environment would be best and CLEP either Intro to Sociology (SOC101) or DSST Fundamentals of Counseling (COU262-transcribed as PSY331).

[bogey72]

Bricabrac, I agree that the Global Environmental Change would be best. I have sent an email to financial aid and to my advisor, so hopefully I'll get some answers from both of them and enroll as soon as I finish up the two B&M BIO classes that I am taking now.

[bogey72]

UPDATE!!! ARGGGGGHHHH!!! My advisor is now telling me I need 10 more natural science credits in addition to the ENS-314 class. I'll update soon. I'm probably going to contact Ryoder via PM since he has already been through some of this.

[Yenisei]

Do these 10 credits have to be UL, or can they be LL? If the latter, look at the following DSST exams: Environment & Humanity, Astronomy, Physical Geology and Physical Science and ask your advisor if they will meet the requirement (they should, since they're all Nat Sci).

As for UL, I imagine that you already have pathophysiology credits. but if you don't, look at the ECE exam in that subject, and the MIS DSST, and perhaps the Network Technology TECEP and ask your advisor if they'll work for you. Additionaly, Canada's Athabasca University also offers credit-by-exam.