Transcript evaluation - transferring RA creds into TESU

[jazzcat]

Please let me know if I should be posting this in some other format or referring to an FAQ that might already have such info.

I've evaluated what I think I'll get for TESU credits and I'd like to get a second opinion. I'd like to request help from anyone familiar with TESU courses to assess what my courses might transfer as. I've gotten an eval from WGU and UMPI, and am now trying to gauge what this might be equivalent to at TESU.

At UMPI, I applied for BABA-SCM. This is supposedly the program offering the most value I will get for my transcript at 19 courses accepted of the total 40 required. Thus approx 57 credits out of 120.

At WGU, I applied for BSBA-ITM. This also seems like it will give me the most courses accepted for 47 credits out of 120 required (one of the courses is not listed on this eval, which only states 44 credits).

At TESU, I'm interested in BSBA. As for the concentration, I am considering CIS, ENT, FIN, GM, IB, OM. It seems like most of the concentrations will allow 1 UL course transfer from my existing transcript, but OM might allow for 3 ULs. Optimistically, it seems that I might be able to get 75-84 credits transferred in to the program, and probably not less than the 57 credits UMPI assigned me, but this is what I'm asking for your opinion on.

These are RA credits from my previous Canadian university education. I previously studied International Business and Supply Chain Management, but my work these days is mostly focused on in IT management and biz dev.

The thing that slightly throws me off converting the credits to TESU is how many courses are just counted as electives at UMPI. I understand the reason for that, because the syllabus might not match up to any other course they offer, but then I don't know how to interpret those results for TESU, so with a bit of reading, I took some guesses. Initially I thought more courses would count for credit at UMPI, but the result was on the low end of my expectations. WGU on the other hand gave me an evaluation on the upper end of my expectations and their degree is more in line with the type of work I'm doing nowadays. However, it seems TESU offers the most flexibility for concentrations and for completing the degree using alternative sources. I'm just trying to get a second opinion before paying the application fee and jumping through the hoops of another application.

PDF and Excel files attached.

[rachel83az]

First off, the way you've done your TESU projection is super confusing. It doesn't matter what another school gave you for a particular course, what matters is what it is at the original institution where you took it. PHY-XXX and COS-XXX are not valid course numbers; what even are those? Where did they come from? Are there grades? These things matter for transferring to TESU.

Also, it appears that you're attempting to match courses directly based off of the current TESU catalog. I don't blame you, but that layout SUCKS and is completely unhelpful. Check out https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...ts_Roadmap to get a better idea of what the heck TESU means with their nonsense.

Finally, while UMPI may (or may not) transfer in as many of your current courses to useful places, they will almost certainly be cheaper for a BABA MIS than a BSBA CIS would be at TESU. You may want to consider taking a few extra Sophia courses and then going to UMPI.

[jazzcat]

Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Sorry for the confusion, it's probably the right-side "equivalencies" column that is confusing. I copy/pasted the course descriptions that match my transcript in the first worksheet.

I separated out what seemed like the common courses into separate worksheets (gen-ed, prof-bus, elecs --- these match the descriptions on the TESU website of General Education, Professional Business, Electives), and then made additional worksheets for the concentrations.

PHY-XXX and COS-XXX are written as such, because in my laziness, I didn't read through all the 15+ courses that are available for physics and programming. You're right, they are not valid course numbers. I should probably fix that, I just assumed if TESU is liberal with course transfers, then physics and C++ will transfer as some random number course they assign it to. All my courses are better than C grade with 3 credits or more as indicated (excepting a few one credit courses).

Thanks for the UMPI comment, will re-evaluate that option.

[rachel83az]

It definitely matters what each course is and what course numbers they have at the original institution, as well as where they come from. For instance, "Critical Reading and Writing" may indeed transfer in as both English Comp I & II, it may transfer in as just one, it may transfer in as neither.

You also have several courses with 3XX and 4XX. An important reason to know where these come from is because if these were transfers from a 2-year institution, they would only transfer in as LL and not as UL - in spite of the catalog numbers.

There's no need to guess what numbers TESU will give things, but we need to know what your original college or university listed your courses as.

[jazzcat]

Understood, I appreciate your thoroughness.

WGU accepted "Critical reading and writing" as English Comp I & II, and UMPI accepted it as a 6 credit English course, so I extrapolated that TESU would as well. You're right, it might not. These are my optimistic projections.

My credits are from a degree granting university, so the 3xx and 4xx should count as UL in some instances, and were evaluated as such where stated on the transcript evaluation. Even one of the 2xx courses was considered UL by the NACES transcript eval. I have updated that on the Excel sheet.

I have also added the course numbers from the Canadian university which I incorrectly assumed as irrelevant, as well as UL/LL designations, and replaced the Excel sheet file in the original post with the updated copy.

Finally, some of the Excel sheet confusion you mentioned is because I was doing this all in my head, so it made sense to me, but of course wouldn't translate to someone else. I made a few updates that I hope will clarify some items.

As an aside, the program I was enrolled originally in Canada in was rather narrowly targeted on the concentration, thus the few general electives were in first year and precisely specified. My NACES eval gives me 3.5 years of a 4 year US equivalent degree, but some of the courses are so specialised that they don't transfer. If it was as easy as going back to that Canadian uni to complete one or two semesters, then I'd do it, but they want me to do a full 3rd and 4th year, and there's no option for online study. Canadian schools are much more constrained and limited for options, not actually any cheaper, and the courses get treated like textbooks---once 2-3 years passes, two points on the syllabus change and the course is no longer transferable (at least in my situation). Plus since I'm in USA now, I prefer to get a US degree anyway. The free market innovates and gives people options.

[LevelUP]

If you end up doing TESU with the CIS concentration, then you may as well grab the Associates in Computer Science for free.

WGU will probably end up being the most work.

UMPI you are not that far away from getting the max 90 credits. 

All 3 schools are good choices though.

[jazzcat]

LevelUP, indeed---I was thinking the same as you mention. Associates would be a bonus at TESU, but not a deal breaker without it. WGU gives me some cert recognition and is pretty industry specific, other than as you say, it will be more work with less transfers inbound. And WGU will probably cost more if I can't finish in two terms (I need to do 45-50 credits at WGU), such that it might be close to the cost of attending NAU, CSU, FIU, or similar "traditional" uni.

I think I haven't been given enough consideration to UMPI. I am going to let my eyes rest and return to this tomorrow, because I'm getting tunnel vision.

[LevelUP]

LevelUP, indeed---I was thinking the same as you mention. Associates would be a bonus at TESU, but not a deal breaker without it. WGU gives me some cert recognition and is pretty industry specific, other than as you say, it will be more work with less transfers inbound. And WGU will probably cost more if I can't finish in two terms (I need to do 45-50 credits at WGU), such that it might be close to the cost of attending NAU, CSU, FIU, or similar "traditional" uni.

I think I haven't been given enough consideration to UMPI. I am going to let my eyes rest and return to this tomorrow, because I'm getting tunnel vision.

If you transfer in close the max credits, you should be able to do WGU in one term considering you have the time to study 20 hours per week.
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/WG...egree_Plan

[ss20ts]

One option with UMPI is to go for the BLS with a minor instead. You need far more general elective credits for the BLS than the BA.

[jazzcat]

One option with UMPI is to go for the BLS with a minor instead. You need far more general elective credits for the BLS than the BA.

That opens another can of worms, for which I should make a separate thread in the UMPI forum. I am aware that more electives are accepted for BLS. However, the reason I was not considering BLS, is because it is "Liberal Studies". I need to confirm with my lawyer, but this may not be specific enough for my US immigration status, since I'm on a particular type of work visa. Having a specific business degree will help me get a visa renewal or green card. I love America and want to stay here. I'd join the US military to work it off, but sadly I've been told I'm medically unfit for service.

However, I've just read this thread and with multiple minors, perhaps it would be sufficient.
https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...ent-Minors

There's also the consideration of whether I can follow up with a Masters after BLS. I haven't researched this, so I'll do that now and make a separate thread in the UMPI forum. Thanks for making me think about this.

Since you mention BLS, do you know how the diploma looks? That is, does it say "Bachelor of Liberal Studies", "Minor in PM and MIS"? I've searched the forum and Google images without results (and "BLS" is too short of a keyword for the forum search, because it's not four letters). That could be a deciding factor. US immigration read all the details on my diplomas and certificates, and those keywords could help, even if it did not say Bachelor of Business Admin. (I'll check with my lawyer.)

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If you transfer in close the max credits, you should be able to do WGU in one term considering you have the time to study 20 hours per week.
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/WG...egree_Plan

Great information. I did refer to the wiki link you mention above. WGU requires 30 credits residency. Plus it seems there's a few additional courses that cannot be completed outside WGU for transfer, such as Intro to Spreadsheets (okay, easy one credit), Innovative and Strategic Thinking, Workforce Planning, Project Management. Okay, that means I only need to do 40 credits at WGU, and I see that's what I wrote down in my Excel sheet. I should have double-checked that before writing from memory in my original post. My mistake.

Yes, I can study for 20-25 hours per week. From what I've read, 40 credits at WGU could conceivably be completed in one term, with full-time study, whereas 50 credits would be more realistically be budgeted over two terms. Looks like I still have three viable options then, maybe a fourth now with UMPI-BLS. I'll let it simmer over the weekend.