Will Saylor's MBA program be nationally or regionally accredited in the future?

[midnite123]

Basically, you currently have an unaccredited degree (or at the very best, a state approved degree) from Saylor and it will remain that way unless otherwise noted by them.  Even if they do get NA or RA status, you can't use yours or reference it as an accredited degree until they update that within your records.  Some institutions will update the degree if the contents haven't changed when they get accredited, however, it depends on the institution, some will need you to go through newer regulations (extra class or two).  Congrats for now, wait for accreditation and resubmit request to get the diploma again...

On that note, how are the UoPeople NA degrees being treated currently? Are they automatically considered RA since they were accredited when issued?

It's pretty much either NA or RA, there's a fine line to that, there can't be a 'grey area', it's one or the other...  If the student graduates when the degree is NA, it remains NA until the institution can reissue a new degree indicating they meet the RA requirements.  If it's already transition to RA, and then they graduate the day after transition, they've got an RA degree, so when the diploma gets shipped, you've got the RA degree in hand.

That's what we always say, but no one has done an actual study on what employers and academic registrars actually do in this situation in like twenty years, so we really have no idea. Doubly so in that Uncle Sam no longer recognizes RA and NA as categories (rightfully, IMHO). 

That said, given that we know anecdotally that the vast majority of employers don't know the first thing about accreditation, I would be astonished if they treated any UoPeople any differently from those from any other institution, before or after they got WASC accreditation.

 "given that we know anecdotally that the vast majority of employers don't know the first thing about accreditation, I would be astonished if they treated any UoPeople any differently from those from any other institution, before or after they got WASC accreditation."

I agree with this about the majority of employers.

University of the People,
or even Saylor,
if someone has a Bachelor's and  lists an MBA from Saylor,
   Is it likely it will be questioned?

I guess it all depends on the company applied to???
along with experience

[Tomas]

I read somewhere that UoPeople was going to honor degrees as RA dating back to 2021. If I am not mistaken.

I would believe this. The school may need to update records, but overall it makes sense. My understanding is that when a school transitions from applicant status to candidate status for accreditation, it means that they meet the general requirements, and so it changes the way their degrees are treated, even pre-accreditation. So, if the school already achieved candidate status in 2021, then they would want to validate any degrees earned in that period post accreditation.

Date was set retroactively to July 31, 2024.

[Old Guy]

Basically, you currently have an unaccredited degree (or at the very best, a state approved degree) from Saylor and it will remain that way unless otherwise noted by them.  Even if they do get NA or RA status, you can't use yours or reference it as an accredited degree until they update that within your records.  Some institutions will update the degree if the contents haven't changed when they get accredited, however, it depends on the institution, some will need you to go through newer regulations (extra class or two).  Congrats for now, wait for accreditation and resubmit request to get the diploma again...

I have lived a long life and have never explained to anyone that a degree is accredited or unaccredited.  My bread and butter degrees are brick and mortar.  Other than to professional associations I have never had to prove to anyone that I actually had any degrees.  There are no degree police.  A degree from a formerly unaccredited school that subsequently becomes accredited has an air of legitimacy worth exploiting.  The poo is unlikely to hit the fan like a never accredited school.

[midnite123]

Basically, you currently have an unaccredited degree (or at the very best, a state approved degree) from Saylor and it will remain that way unless otherwise noted by them.  Even if they do get NA or RA status, you can't use yours or reference it as an accredited degree until they update that within your records.  Some institutions will update the degree if the contents haven't changed when they get accredited, however, it depends on the institution, some will need you to go through newer regulations (extra class or two).  Congrats for now, wait for accreditation and resubmit request to get the diploma again...

I have lived a long life and have never explained to anyone that a degree is accredited or unaccredited.  My bread and butter degrees are brick and mortar.  Other than to professional associations I have never had to prove to anyone that I actually had any degrees.  There are no degree police.  A degree from a formerly unaccredited school that subsequently becomes accredited has an air of legitimacy worth exploiting.  The poo is unlikely to hit the fan like a never accredited school.

     I agree with you.
Plus you can list anything on your biz card or resume.
If an employer has a question, that's up to them to ask you about it.
But,
like you said most employers do not ask about accredited or not.
    The main point really is:
you never claimed a particular degree is accredited.

[Maltus]

Basically, you currently have an unaccredited degree (or at the very best, a state approved degree) from Saylor and it will remain that way unless otherwise noted by them.  Even if they do get NA or RA status, you can't use yours or reference it as an accredited degree until they update that within your records.  Some institutions will update the degree if the contents haven't changed when they get accredited, however, it depends on the institution, some will need you to go through newer regulations (extra class or two).  Congrats for now, wait for accreditation and resubmit request to get the diploma again...

I have lived a long life and have never explained to anyone that a degree is accredited or unaccredited.  My bread and butter degrees are brick and mortar.  Other than to professional associations I have never had to prove to anyone that I actually had any degrees.  There are no degree police.  A degree from a formerly unaccredited school that subsequently becomes accredited has an air of legitimacy worth exploiting.  The poo is unlikely to hit the fan like a never accredited school.

     I agree with you.
Plus you can list anything on your biz card or resume.
If an employer has a question, that's up to them to ask you about it.
But,
like you said most employers do not ask about accredited or not.
    The main point really is:
you never claimed a particular degree is accredited.

Well that might be true for the US - in most EU-Jurisdictions it would be illegal to use a "degree" from a non-accrediated institution.
E.g. in Germany You may use any foreign degree, as long as it ist considered a valid degree in the country of origin and you must state where you got it from - like "John Doe, M.A. (UMPI, USA)". Even just using a non-accrediated "degree" on you biz card to "impress" businesspartners could be considered a crime, punishable with up to one year in prison over here. And putting that on your resume or CV could be considered fraudulent if that "degree" leads to you getting falesly hired- so don't even think about it ;-)

So using a real UI1-degree (most likely ENEB with UI1-certification wouldn't be enough) would be OK, since you may use it in Spain. Using a Saylor's MBA would for sure be a big No-No.

[midnite123]

Basically, you currently have an unaccredited degree (or at the very best, a state approved degree) from Saylor and it will remain that way unless otherwise noted by them.  Even if they do get NA or RA status, you can't use yours or reference it as an accredited degree until they update that within your records.  Some institutions will update the degree if the contents haven't changed when they get accredited, however, it depends on the institution, some will need you to go through newer regulations (extra class or two).  Congrats for now, wait for accreditation and resubmit request to get the diploma again...

I have lived a long life and have never explained to anyone that a degree is accredited or unaccredited.  My bread and butter degrees are brick and mortar.  Other than to professional associations I have never had to prove to anyone that I actually had any degrees.  There are no degree police.  A degree from a formerly unaccredited school that subsequently becomes accredited has an air of legitimacy worth exploiting.  The poo is unlikely to hit the fan like a never accredited school.

     I agree with you.
Plus you can list anything on your biz card or resume.
If an employer has a question, that's up to them to ask you about it.
But,
like you said most employers do not ask about accredited or not.
    The main point really is:
you never claimed a particular degree is accredited.

Well that might be true for the US - in most EU-Jurisdictions it would be illegal to use a "degree" from a non-accrediated institution.
E.g. in Germany You may use any foreign degree, as long as it ist considered a valid degree in the country of origin and you must state where you got it from - like "John Doe, M.A. (UMPI, USA)". Even just using a non-accrediated "degree" on you biz card to "impress" businesspartners could be considered a crime, punishable with up to one year in prison over here. And putting that on your resume or CV could be considered fraudulent if that "degree" leads to you getting falesly hired- so don't even think about it ;-)

So using a real UI1-degree (most likely ENEB with UI1-certification wouldn't be enough) would be OK, since you may use it in Spain. Using a Saylor's MBA would for sure be a big No-No.

I see.
That makes sense .
In the US,
I do not think there are any crimes connected to an unaccredited degree.

[Maltus]

Basically, you currently have an unaccredited degree (or at the very best, a state approved degree) from Saylor and it will remain that way unless otherwise noted by them.  Even if they do get NA or RA status, you can't use yours or reference it as an accredited degree until they update that within your records.  Some institutions will update the degree if the contents haven't changed when they get accredited, however, it depends on the institution, some will need you to go through newer regulations (extra class or two).  Congrats for now, wait for accreditation and resubmit request to get the diploma again...

I have lived a long life and have never explained to anyone that a degree is accredited or unaccredited.  My bread and butter degrees are brick and mortar.  Other than to professional associations I have never had to prove to anyone that I actually had any degrees.  There are no degree police.  A degree from a formerly unaccredited school that subsequently becomes accredited has an air of legitimacy worth exploiting.  The poo is unlikely to hit the fan like a never accredited school.

     I agree with you.
Plus you can list anything on your biz card or resume.
If an employer has a question, that's up to them to ask you about it.
But,
like you said most employers do not ask about accredited or not.
    The main point really is:
you never claimed a particular degree is accredited.

Well that might be true for the US - in most EU-Jurisdictions it would be illegal to use a "degree" from a non-accrediated institution.
E.g. in Germany You may use any foreign degree, as long as it ist considered a valid degree in the country of origin and you must state where you got it from - like "John Doe, M.A. (UMPI, USA)". Even just using a non-accrediated "degree" on you biz card to "impress" businesspartners could be considered a crime, punishable with up to one year in prison over here. And putting that on your resume or CV could be considered fraudulent if that "degree" leads to you getting falesly hired- so don't even think about it ;-)

So using a real UI1-degree (most likely ENEB with UI1-certification wouldn't be enough) would be OK, since you may use it in Spain. Using a Saylor's MBA would for sure be a big No-No.

I see.
That makes sense .
In the US,
I do not think there are any crimes connected to an unaccredited degree.

What would likely be ok is, to call it "continious education, equivalent to an MBA" on your resume - that way you wouldn't claim to have an MBA, but could show what you have archieved.

[SteveFoerster]

Well that might be true for the US - in most EU-Jurisdictions it would be illegal to use a "degree" from a non-accrediated institution.
E.g. in Germany You may use any foreign degree, as long as it ist considered a valid degree in the country of origin and you must state where you got it from - like "John Doe, M.A. (UMPI, USA)". Even just using a non-accrediated "degree" on you biz card to "impress" businesspartners could be considered a crime, punishable with up to one year in prison over here. And putting that on your resume or CV could be considered fraudulent if that "degree" leads to you getting falesly hired- so don't even think about it ;-)

So using a real UI1-degree (most likely ENEB with UI1-certification wouldn't be enough) would be OK, since you may use it in Spain. Using a Saylor's MBA would for sure be a big No-No.

That's confusing, because Saylor's MBA is a valid degree in its country of origin because the Saylor Academy is licensed in the State of Florida.

[midnite123]

Well that might be true for the US - in most EU-Jurisdictions it would be illegal to use a "degree" from a non-accrediated institution.
E.g. in Germany You may use any foreign degree, as long as it ist considered a valid degree in the country of origin and you must state where you got it from - like "John Doe, M.A. (UMPI, USA)". Even just using a non-accrediated "degree" on you biz card to "impress" businesspartners could be considered a crime, punishable with up to one year in prison over here. And putting that on your resume or CV could be considered fraudulent if that "degree" leads to you getting falesly hired- so don't even think about it ;-)

So using a real UI1-degree (most likely ENEB with UI1-certification wouldn't be enough) would be OK, since you may use it in Spain. Using a Saylor's MBA would for sure be a big No-No.

That's confusing, because Saylor's MBA is a valid degree in its country of origin because the Saylor Academy is licensed in the State of Florida.

I would think it is a valid degree, like you said.
   I also think it is difficult to figure out what countries besides the US ,
have as educational laws.
   I guess each country would have to be researched.

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While we are talking about Saylor,

Does anyone have an opinion on the difficulty of their courses?

Thank you!!!

[Maltus]

Well that might be true for the US - in most EU-Jurisdictions it would be illegal to use a "degree" from a non-accrediated institution.
E.g. in Germany You may use any foreign degree, as long as it ist considered a valid degree in the country of origin and you must state where you got it from - like "John Doe, M.A. (UMPI, USA)". Even just using a non-accrediated "degree" on you biz card to "impress" businesspartners could be considered a crime, punishable with up to one year in prison over here. And putting that on your resume or CV could be considered fraudulent if that "degree" leads to you getting falesly hired- so don't even think about it ;-)

So using a real UI1-degree (most likely ENEB with UI1-certification wouldn't be enough) would be OK, since you may use it in Spain. Using a Saylor's MBA would for sure be a big No-No.

That's confusing, because Saylor's MBA is a valid degree in its country of origin because the Saylor Academy is licensed in the State of Florida.

Well you do have a point there - in Germany there is the Anabin-database run by the Standing Conference for the Ministers of Education where thye add evaluated degrees from foreign schools. If you find your school there, it is propably good to use the degree. Well saylor's is not in it. Would be interesting to see how a saylor's degree would get evaluated.