Doctorate Certificate from EIU-PARIS is illegal and worthless junk

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

Perhaps they believe that EIU-Dubai has approval in UAE, which is the usual standard?

The IEE evaluation uploaded was not for EIU-Dubai. 
EIU-Dubai programs are accredited by ACBSP.

IEE gives even more favorable evaluations for programs done via EIU-Dubai

[Messdiener]

Perhaps they believe that EIU-Dubai has approval in UAE, which is the usual standard?

The IEE evaluation uploaded was not for EIU-Dubai. 
EIU-Dubai programs are accredited by ACBSP.

IEE gives even more favorable evaluations for programs done via EIU-Dubai

Does EIU-Dubai have a different accreditation status?

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

Perhaps they believe that EIU-Dubai has approval in UAE, which is the usual standard?

The IEE evaluation uploaded was not for EIU-Dubai. 
EIU-Dubai programs are accredited by ACBSP.

IEE gives even more favorable evaluations for programs done via EIU-Dubai

Does EIU-Dubai have a different accreditation status?

There are 2 types of accreditation for EIU which operates as a single private distance education institution registered in France. 

EIU-Paris awards Institutional Degrees, and carries ASIC UK Accreditation ("ASIC UK is a CHEA-listed Accreditor"). 
EIU Paris Dubai Regional Campus programs (DBA, MBA, BBA) are programmatically accredited by ACBSP ("ACBSP is a CHEA-recognized Accreditor"). The 3 programs taught via the Dubai Regional Campus LMS/In-person have ASIC UK  + ACBSP Accreditation

ASIC UK is the accreditor for the institution. ASIC UK is CHEA-listed
ACBSP is the accreditor for 3 programs (DBA, MBA, BBA) delivered via the Dubai Regional Campus online LMS or on location. ACBSP is CHEA Recognized. 
The Dubai programs are not taught by a separate institution, just separate programs offered by the same institution. 

EIU-Paris has ASIC UK Accreditation, so their regular "Institutional Degrees" alone do not carry ACBSP Accreditation.
ACBSP is a programmatic accreditor, so they accredit specific programs, and appear to have accredited only the 3 programs offered via the Dubai Regional Campus (Online or In Person).

The EIU Paris Dubai Regional Campus DBA, MBA, and BBA pathways are on a separate LMS, and there is also a physical campus in Dubai, but this is not a separate institution. The program is slightly different, as for the ACBSP-accredited programs, when a student submits final projects for each course, they do have to speak live briefly with the instructor (it sounds like a brief "mini viva/oral defense" of each project being submitted).

The awards are different. I took a BBA top-up program, which accepts prior learning and experience, and that was the institutional degree. If I wanted to do the entire program on the Dubai Regional Campus LMS or at the location, it would have been the ACBSP-accredited version. However, I got a favorable evaluation from IEE regardless.

ACBSP Accredited Program Sample
https://eiu.ac/acbsp-accredited-degree-sample

ASIC UK Only Sample
https://eiu.ac/degree-sample

To be clear, no one is claiming EIU-Paris institutional degrees are ACBSP-accredited.
ACBSP is programmatic and applies only to the BBA/MBA/DBA delivered via the Dubai regional campus.

The IEE evaluation referenced was for an EIU-Paris institutional award without ACBSP Accreditation, and it was still favorable.
EIU Dubai programs are more difficult: Each final project for the ACBSP programs via the Dubai Regional Campus LMS/Campus includes a live mini-viva. That's why they carry the extra accreditation; there is an added rigor. 

Even for the regular non-ACBSP programs from EIU,
From my own experience across UK qualifications, the grading in the standard EIU-Paris program was still genuinely rigorous and comparable to my UK BSc (Hons), Qualifi Levels 4 and 5, OTHM Level 6, and even BTEC Level 7.

[NAYBOR]

Is it really a "favorable" evaluation from a NACES evaluator for students in the US, if it says right there in the report, "...However, this institution is not recognized or overseen by the government agency tasked with ensuring quality and regulating education in France..."  While it may not issue "National Diplomas", I also don't think that statement on the report is accurate either.  The school is registered with the Ministry of National Education in France to operate, so there IS some kind of "oversight".  I grant that it is not accredited/"recognized" (to use the NACES report nomenclature) by the Ministry of Education or RNCP to give French National diplomas, but to say it isn't recognized at all by proper authorities, I think, is not accurate.  The wording I bolded above makes it sound (to me at least) like there is no proper anything in France for EIU-Paris, to even include legality or authorization to issue the degrees it does as a private univeristy in France.  It does appear to hold proper registration and authority to operate and issue their diplomas. So I'm not sure I understand that statement from the report as I bolded above, but it also doesn't give me "warm fuzzies" about having done instutional degree studies at EIU-Paris, and then having to get a NACES evaluation because I live here in the US and it saying this.  Again, I am not so certain that that wording on the report provided really is as "favorable" as indicated, but I admit it also might not be completely accurate and fair to EIU-Paris either should that wording stand for reports from NACES evaluations (in this case, IEE) regarding insitutional degrees from EIU-Paris.

On the other hand, does anyone have any recent evaluations (just the past few months) showing that ACBSP degrees from EIU-Paris obtain "regionally accredited" evaluations from NACES/AICE evaluators here in the US? Does anyone have any experience even with AICE evaluators recently (past couple of months) regarding EIU-Paris? Or does most NACES/AICE evaluators refuse to evaluate EIU-Paris credentials, as stated elsewhere on this board?

I ask these questions, and comment, because, honestly, I have been viewing this school for some time, as the prices seem very good to me. It has ACBSP accreditation, so that tells me it has to have proper authorities to issue degrees in its country. I agree that running the ACBSP accredited programs from Dubai has amy particular bearing on wear actual degree authority comes from. I assume they just needed a bigger space than the small offices they had in Paris, and bigger space as needed by ACBSP to get accredited programs. They must be allowed to run a "branch campus" in Dubai, but all authority comes from France regarding authorization to issue degrees. I cannot find ANYWHERE where UAE has accredited "EIU" or "EIU-Dubai" to issue there own degrees. Of course, I am not certain eiter on that matter, I just couldn;t find any info myself ot the contrary (that is seprate degree isuing authority). ALL EIU degrees (both ASIC accredited instiutional degrees and ACBSP accredited busines degrees) seem to be issued under the same French authority. ACBSP lists the French address: https://acbsp.org/members/?id=64374132, but also seems to acknowledge business operations based in Thailand: https://acbsp.org/members/?id=79634022.

Personally, I think ATHEA accreditation would also help--especially if ATHEA succeeds in EQAR registration. Not quite sure what that means, but sounds like it holds weight (ie EQAR registration)?

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

Is it really a "favorable" evaluation from a NACES evaluator for students in the US, if it says right there in the report, "...However, this institution is not recognized or overseen by the government agency tasked with ensuring quality and regulating education in France..."  While it may not issue "National Diplomas", I also don't think that statement on the report is accurate either.  The school is registered with the Ministry of National Education in France to operate, so there IS some kind of "oversight".  I grant that it is not accredited/"recognized" (to use the NACES report nomenclature) by the Ministry of Education or RNCP to give French National diplomas, but to say it isn't recognized at all by proper authorities, I think, is not accurate.  The wording I bolded above makes it sound (to me at least) like there is no proper anything in France for EIU-Paris, to even include legality or authorization to issue the degrees it does as a private univeristy in France.  It does appear to hold proper registration and authority to operate and issue their diplomas. So I'm not sure I understand that statement from the report as I bolded above, but it also doesn't give me "warm fuzzies" about having done instutional degree studies at EIU-Paris, and then having to get a NACES evaluation because I live here in the US and it saying this.  Again, I am not so certain that that wording on the report provided really is as "favorable" as indicated, but I admit it also might not be completely accurate and fair to EIU-Paris either should that wording stand for reports from NACES evaluations (in this case, IEE) regarding insitutional degrees from EIU-Paris.

On the other hand, does anyone have any recent evaluations (just the past few months) showing that ACBSP degrees from EIU-Paris obtain "regionally accredited" evaluations from NACES/AICE evaluators here in the US?  Does anyone have any experience even with AICE evaluators recently (past couple of months) regarding EIU-Paris?  Or does most NACES/AICE evaluators refuse to evaluate EIU-Paris credentials, as stated elsewhere on this board?

I ask these questions, and comment, because, honestly, I have been viewing this school for some time, as the prices seem very good to me.  It has ACBSP accreditation, so that tells me it has to have proper authorities to issue degrees in its country.  I agree that running the ACBSP accredited programs from Dubai has amy particular bearing on wear actual degree authority comes from.  I assume they just needed a bigger space than the small offices they had in Paris, and bigger space as needed by ACBSP to get accredited programs.  They must be allowed to run a "branch campus" in Dubai, but all authority comes from France regarding authorization to issue degrees.  I cannot find ANYWHERE where UAE has accredited "EIU" or "EIU-Dubai" to issue there own degrees.  Of course, I am not certain eiter on that matter, I just couldn;t find any info myself ot the contrary (that is seprate degree isuing authority).  ALL EIU degrees (both ASIC accredited instiutional degrees and ACBSP accredited busines degrees) seem to be issued under the same French authority. ACBSP lists the French address: https://acbsp.org/members/?id=64374132, but also seems to acknowledge business operations based in Thailand: https://acbsp.org/members/?id=79634022.

Personally, I think ATHEA accreditation would also help--especially if ATHEA succeeds in EQAR registration.  Not quite sure what that means, but sounds like it holds weight (ie EQAR registration)?

If I’m able to obtain an IEE Evaluation example for an ACBSP-accredited EIU degree directly from the institution, i'll be happy to share it, or if a graduate publicly shares one that would be great. 

Decisions about enrollment are personal. I’ve shared what I can and asked the school the same questions others are asking here.

Given the title of this thread, I won’t be posting further here on this topic. It might have been nicer to have discussed this on the historic main thread
https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid449140

Or on a new thread.

[NAYBOR]

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If I’m able to obtain an IEE Evaluation example for an ACBSP-accredited EIU degree directly from the institution, i'll be happy to share it, or if a graduate publicly shares one that would be great. 

Decisions about enrollment are personal. I’ve shared what I can and asked the school the same questions others are asking here.

Given the title of this thread, I won’t be posting further here on this topic. It might have been nicer to have discussed this on the historic main thread
https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid449140

Or on a new thread.
[/quote]

Understood, and agreed. Will move to the other thread.