Message to Saylor

[cookderosa]

To be fair, I don't think they plagiarized my ASBA plan because theirs is terrible. My BSBA plan is cheaper than their ASBA plan. It's just that they told me my information would cost students more money; and, then, they created a plan a month later to save students money using my information. With Mr. Davidson having discovered my "pathways," I just want to make sure they don't rip off any of my plans.

For what its worth, we know where we heard it first.

[Tedium]

so ?

they didn't acknowledge you
is it really that big of a deal ?

it's not like getting acknowledgment means a pay increase or a bonus at the end of the year

So, someone might not recognize her research and organizational brilliance and offer her an amazing opportunity? Getting acknowledgment is a huge deal. She busts her ass doing all the work she does for free. The token payment of a simple byline is not that much to ask when you take all of that into consideration. It's about respect.

[Prloko]

Not trying to stir the pot, but just curious. What would have been appropriate acknowledgment for you? On this site, you obscure your identity whenever possible (and understandably so), so Saylor would have had to post your real name on their website. Would you have wanted that? Or maybe they would have put, a member/student suggested ...blank, blank, blank....

My question is, what is adequate acknowledgement here? Does one need to professionally acknowledge something from an email?

It is nice to acknowledge others work, but exactly how in this case? "Sanantone, degreeforum, et al. (2015)?" A lot of your advice is built from others on here, especially my personal Abraham for all this, the BA in 4 weeks guy. Did you acknowledge all your sources in your email? Would Saylor have to acknowledge all these sources?

Finally, this plan may have been made in conjunction with TESC. Perhaps they took your email asked TESC about the validity of the strategy and then came up with their own plan. I don't think they meant any harm.

[bluebooger]

... I just want to make sure they don't rip off any of my plans.

right, because what would happen to your royalties ?

[cookderosa]

I'll throw in another two cents. Acknowledgement (and whatever that means or whatever it looks like) is an act of integrity and respect, it's having manners. It says "thank you for your input, it helped me arrive at my work." I'm not getting into copyright issues, just what I think would have been a nice and respectable thing for them to do since they get LOTS of promotion here. Saylor is highly regarded on this forum. It probably won't amount to much, people are still going to use them as an educational resource, but I'm sure members here will think long and hard before "helping" them in the future, which is a shame.

[Prloko]

I'll throw in another two cents. Acknowledgement (and whatever that means or whatever it looks like) is an act of integrity and respect, it's having manners. It says "thank you for your input, it helped me arrive at my work." I'm not getting into copyright issues, just what I think would have been a nice and respectable thing for them to do since they get LOTS of promotion here. Saylor is highly regarded on this forum. It probably won't amount to much, people are still going to use them as an educational resource, but I'm sure members here will think long and hard before "helping" them in the future, which is a shame.

I agree, but I think we're missing some points here. If Saylor acknowledges Sanantone by her name online, is that something she gave them express permission to do in her email? If her email mentioned degreeforum, would that maybe some how in a legal sense cross a line since Saylor is a non-profit and degreeforum is a site designed to drive traffic to Instancert, a for profit venture?

I'm not a lawyer, but the best they could probably do is just acknowledge they got the info from someone else, but this info is publicly available.

[sanantone]

Not trying to stir the pot, but just curious. What would have been appropriate acknowledgment for you? On this site, you obscure your identity whenever possible (and understandably so), so Saylor would have had to post your real name on their website. Would you have wanted that? Or maybe they would have put, a member/student suggested ...blank, blank, blank....

My question is, what is adequate acknowledgement here? Does one need to professionally acknowledge something from an email?

It is nice to acknowledge others work, but exactly how in this case? "Sanantone, degreeforum, et al. (2015)?" A lot of your advice is built from others on here, especially my personal Abraham for all this, the BA in 4 weeks guy. Did you acknowledge all your sources in your email? Would Saylor have to acknowledge all these sources?

Finally, this plan may have been made in conjunction with TESC. Perhaps they took your email asked TESC about the validity of the strategy and then came up with their own plan. I don't think they meant any harm.

For online purposes, I use a derivative of my name. It's been shown before here and online. Yes, I did link to degreeforum.net because that's where I learned a lot about the Per Credit Tuition Plan. Even though Instantcert is for profit, the forum is free. One of Saylor's partner schools is Colorado Technical University, which is a for-profit college.

right, because what would happen to your royalties ?

You don't seem to understand the concept of intellectual property and the purpose behind referencing sources. This is quite disturbing for someone who is working on a college degree.

[Prloko]

For online purposes, I use a derivative of my name. It's been shown before here and online. Yes, I did link to degreeforum.net because that's where I learned a lot about the Per Credit Tuition Plan. Even though Instantcert is for profit, the forum is free. One of Saylor's partner schools is Colorado Technical University, which is a for-profit college.



You don't seem to understand the concept of intellectual property and the purpose behind referencing sources. This is quite disturbing for someone who is working on a college degree.

I remember in college that if a source is a derivative of common knowledge, then no citation is needed. Even though we discuss academics, this site and our works are non-academic in nature and is derived from open source information from ACE, the big 3 schools, military counselors, etc that is basically consolidated and regurgitated here.

[Prloko]

Their employees get paid for doing this stuff. I'm sure you wouldn't want someone getting paid for your work.

Doesn't this site charge members to view the instancert subscriber's only thread, which is a collection of exam reviews from members who did not get paid? What's the diff?

If you want to get sole acknowledgement, make your own website. You won't be the first nor the last. I'll keep passing on what I know for free, because I got it free.

[soliloquy]

Confused...what did they use again? You said they did not copy your plan because their plan is terrible and more expensive...so what did they appropriate of yours that justifies acknowledgement? I'm not being sarcastic, I just don't understand what the acknowledgment would be attached to. TX