ENEB New Master Thread

[KSoul]

Question around the final grades. When it comes to evaluations, do 8.5 scores hurt you in any way? My brother has been scoring high marks (e.g., 9+-10); however, he has scored one 8.5, and he asked if it was worth revising and resubmitting for a second attempt. Considering ECE uses S (Satisfactory), independent if you have a 10 or 8 (guessing maybe even 7) for your final grade, should he put the time in?

My ego says yes, but at the end of the day, I am not sure it matters. Thanks for any advice.

Update: He went ahead and made the revisions and, surprisingly, received grades 24h+. ENEB is definitely more efficient in their turnaround compared to when I did the program. Great to see, as I would imagine their student volume is considerably higher now. Perhaps their grading staff (Professors/Tutors)  is a lot higher now to accommodate the volume of papers coming through.

Did your brother have to contact ENEB about the second revision or was it automatically graded/updated?

He sent emails to the category groups (e.g., accounting@, management@) and stated that they all responded within 24 hours, updated the score accordingly. No additional emails or action were needed.

He's officially done and now going through the ECE process (pay), then off to TESU.

[eLearner]

ENEB is not a degree granting institution in Spain. It has not been granted degree awarding powers by the Spanish Parliament or the legislative assembly of the Autonomous Community of Catalunya, nor is it listed in the RUCT as an official centro universitario adscrito to Universidad Internacional Isabel I de Castilla. Accreditation by the European Association for International Education and membership in the Spanish Association of Business Schools do not confer official degree granting status or recognition as an official centro universitario adscrito.

Schools like ENEB are allowed to award their own degrees, they just cannot present them as "oficial" since their programs are not accredited and cannot be registered with the Spanish government. We already know that. That is the whole reason why schools like theirs link up with accredited universities like Isabel.

Considering that, I wouldn't ever submit the ENEB diploma. I would only submit the Isabel diploma.

Because ENEB is neither a degree granting university nor an official centro universitario adscrito, ECE can only show credit for the specialization program if Universidad Internacional Isabel I de Castilla issues documentation confirming that it awarded ECTS credits for the program. If the university does not issue documentation showing they are awarding credit themselves, ECE has no basis to assign credit.

If they're taking that angle, it took them 5 years to reach it because up until 2024(?) they were evaluating these courses-by-course. Regardless, Isabel makes it clear on the diploma that the program counts for ECTS so that's a non-issue.

If the university will not provide a document confirming the number of credits awarded for the specialization program, ECE can either omit this credential from the report or include it as a general item with no credit recommendation, indicating it is equivalent to non credit study.”

My issue with all of this is, why does it even matter to ECE? They know that the program was taken with ENEB and the degree is awarded by Isabel, so why does it even matter if the transcript comes from ENEB? If anything, where else would they expect it to come from? How does that change anything in reality? Somebody has to keep records. Who cares who keeps them as long as they're true and accurate?

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ENEB knows that their programs are getting blacklisted by more evaluators which is likely why they are issuing "university-specific" degrees with Universidad Isabel I transcripts through UNISEB validation.

I suspect you may be right. But isn't it funny how we all said this would happen because of some of the bad moves they had been making? We tried to tell them and they didn't listen at all.

If they think this UNISEB thing is going to be the saving grace, I think they'll be in for some surprises. If we've learned nothing in the past 5 years alone about FCEs, we've learned that they are excellent at inventing new ways to move the goalposts.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

ENEB is not a degree granting institution in Spain. It has not been granted degree awarding powers by the Spanish Parliament or the legislative assembly of the Autonomous Community of Catalunya, nor is it listed in the RUCT as an official centro universitario adscrito to Universidad Internacional Isabel I de Castilla. Accreditation by the European Association for International Education and membership in the Spanish Association of Business Schools do not confer official degree granting status or recognition as an official centro universitario adscrito.

Schools like ENEB are allowed to award their own degrees, they just cannot present them as "oficial" since their programs are not accredited and cannot be registered with the Spanish government. We already know that. That is the whole reason why schools like theirs link up with accredited universities like Isabel.

Considering that, I wouldn't ever submit the ENEB diploma. I would only submit the Isabel diploma.

Because ENEB is neither a degree granting university nor an official centro universitario adscrito, ECE can only show credit for the specialization program if Universidad Internacional Isabel I de Castilla issues documentation confirming that it awarded ECTS credits for the program. If the university does not issue documentation showing they are awarding credit themselves, ECE has no basis to assign credit.

If they're taking that angle, it took them 5 years to reach it because up until 2024(?) they were evaluating these courses-by-course. Regardless, Isabel makes it clear on the diploma that the program counts for ECTS so that's a non-issue.

If the university will not provide a document confirming the number of credits awarded for the specialization program, ECE can either omit this credential from the report or include it as a general item with no credit recommendation, indicating it is equivalent to non credit study.”

My issue with all of this is, why does it even matter to ECE? They know that the program was taken with ENEB and the degree is awarded by Isabel, so why does it even matter if the transcript comes from ENEB? If anything, where else would they expect it to come from? How does that change anything in reality? Somebody has to keep records. Who cares who keeps them as long as they're true and accurate?

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ENEB knows that their programs are getting blacklisted by more evaluators which is likely why they are issuing "university-specific" degrees with Universidad Isabel I transcripts through UNISEB validation.

I suspect you may be right. But isn't it funny how we all said this would happen because of some of the bad moves they had been making? We tried to tell them and they didn't listen at all.

If they think this UNISEB thing is going to be the saving grace, I think they'll be in for some surprises. If we've learned nothing in the past 5 years alone about FCEs, we've learned that they are excellent at inventing new ways to move the goalposts.

official centro universitario adscrito. 

To me means a teaching institution of a University that issues official degrees. We are talking about a Titulo Propio, not a Titulo Official.  

ENEB is a training center for titulo propio degrees, which Isabel I certifies. Isabel I does have Titulo Official degree programs, but ENEB is not that, and a Ui1 Certification is not a validation. 

Also, ENEB does not award/confer degrees; it has no ability to do so, even for a Titulo Propio. ENEB is simply providing a certificate of training.  It is Ui1 which certifies that the certificate of training at ENEB is equivalent to a Titulo Propio degree and awards the ECTS.  There is no ECTS on the ENEB Certificates, only hours. It is Isabel I which determines how many ECTS are awarded from those hours of study (1500 or 1800 hours)

I really think the person started the ECE process requesting an evaluation of ENEB without the Ui1 Certificate, and that's why this response is happening. ECE Evalution request should be initiated for the certificate from Isabel I, uploading the certificate with the QR code and CSV #.  Not initiated with an evaluation request for ENEB.  

It's quite evident to me from the below that ECE didn't get an Isabel I Certificate:

"ECE can only show credit for the specialization program if Universidad Internacional Isabel I de Castilla issues documentation confirming that it awarded ECTS credits for the program. If the university does not issue documentation showing they are awarding credit themselves, ECE has no basis to assign credit."

The Ui1 Certificate is the documentation that shows that Ui1 is awarding ECTS itself

ECE isn't refusing to evaluate the Isabel I certificate that awards the ECTS; it's saying they can't evaluate without the Isabel I Certificate.  

@JC39, good luck, and please let us know once you resolve.

[KSoul]

Well, this ECE is changing fast: Real-time updates are moving in the wrong direction.

To confirm, the recommendation is not to send the ENEB diploma/transcripts to ECE but to wait until you have the Isabel I Diploma. Upload those diplomas/transcripts into ECE - Pay. Select TESU for 'Sent To,' and all should be good to go.

Hopeful there is not a darker part/bigger hurdle that I'm blocking out at the moment.

[eLearner]

official centro universitario adscrito. 

To me means a teaching institution of a University that issues official degrees. We are talking about a Titulo Propio, not a Titulo Official.  ENEB is a teaching institution for titulo propio degrees, which Isabel I certifies. Isabel I does have Titulo Official degree programs, but ENEB is not that, and a Ui1 Certification is not a validation. 

Also, ENEB does not award/confer degrees, it has no ability to do so, even for a Titulo Propio. ENEB is simply providing a certifcate of training.  It is Ui1 which certifies that the certificate of training at ENEB is on par with a Titulo Propio degree. 

I really think the person started the ECE process requesting an evaluation of ENEB without the Ui1 Certificate, and that's why this response is happening. @JC39, please let us know.

Setting aside the definition, when ECE makes reference to "centro universitario adscrito" they're usually talking about that in the context of the RUCT database. Their position is that if a school is not in it, it's not valid. However, that position is wrong.

On a 2021 ENEB diploma I remember it mentioning a "certificate registration number", but it still stated on the diploma that it is a "Master in (insert major)." The certificate bit may or may not have to do with a way to work with or around Spanish law. I'd need to see something from the law itself that would prevent an unaccredited school from issuing their own degrees. I haven't read the law in a while and don't remember the critical points anymore.

I really think the person started the ECE process requesting an evaluation of ENEB without the Ui1 Certificate, and that's why this response is happening...

Yep, I said the same thing in an earlier post.

We can never be sure of which evaluator will get the materials and what their experience with this is, so they may not even know to reach out and tell the customer that they need to send a different document.

[muhammadabs]

I want to earn a bachelor’s degree by having an ENEB degree evaluated by ECE. Is that possible?
Has anyone had recent experience with this and can share advice?
Also, should I choose the Agile program for $320 a single master, or are there cheaper and faster alternatives?

Welcome to the Forum and congrats on your first post!
 There is a Template in Degree-planning-section. If you could give that information it would help a lot: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...Area-works

And did you have a look at the wiki? That might also be a good ressource for you: 
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB

Maybe that gives you a clue. And what BA do you want to obtain? What can you invest - beside ENEB?

Thank you for the warm welcome and for sharing those links they’ve been very helpful.

I’m 25, based in Egypt, and currently working full-time. I’m committed to advancing my career, which is why I’m fully dedicated to earning a bachelor’s degree in Business and Project Management.

My budget is limited, so I was initially planning to enroll at UMPI and have already completed 119 credits through Sophia.org. However, someone recently recommended the ENEB pathway. I’ve seen mixed feedback some people say they successfully had their degree evaluated by ECE, while others didn’t, so I’m feeling a bit uncertain.

And I really need your help, is the Agile test the best option in my case?
Or
Are there any more cost effective options available?

Thank you in advance for your guidance.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

official centro universitario adscrito. 

To me means a teaching institution of a University that issues official degrees. We are talking about a Titulo Propio, not a Titulo Official.  ENEB is a teaching institution for titulo propio degrees, which Isabel I certifies. Isabel I does have Titulo Official degree programs, but ENEB is not that, and a Ui1 Certification is not a validation. 

Also, ENEB does not award/confer degrees, it has no ability to do so, even for a Titulo Propio. ENEB is simply providing a certifcate of training.  It is Ui1 which certifies that the certificate of training at ENEB is on par with a Titulo Propio degree. 

I really think the person started the ECE process requesting an evaluation of ENEB without the Ui1 Certificate, and that's why this response is happening. @JC39, please let us know.

Setting aside the definition, when ECE makes reference to "centro universitario adscrito" they're usually talking about that in the context of the RUCT database. Their position is that if a school is not in it, it's not valid. However, that position is wrong.

On a 2021 ENEB diploma I remember it mentioning a "certificate registration number", but it still stated on the diploma that it is a "Master in (insert major)." The certificate bit may or may not have to do with a way to work with or around Spanish law. I'd need to see something from the law itself that would prevent an unaccredited school from issuing their own degrees. I haven't read the law in a while and don't remember the critical points anymore.

I really think the person started the ECE process requesting an evaluation of ENEB without the Ui1 Certificate, and that's why this response is happening...

Yep, I said the same thing in an earlier post.

We can never be sure of which evaluator will get the materials and what their experience with this is, so they may not even know to reach out and tell the customer that they need to send a different document.

Yes, ENEB is registered in the Spanish Registry of Training Entities and is a member of the Spanish Alliance of Training - per our ENEB diplomas which have a certificate registration number.  But that doesn't make them a degree-awarding institution, as they are not a university. 

Upon reflecting, It seems ECE was saying to the person who posted the details, that they don't evaluate the ENEB Part. If fact ECE listed ENEB as "Non Credit" on my report but assessed only the Ui1 part.  

It seems they even offered the person to remove mention of ENEB from the Evaluation, meaning that ECE could potentially evaluate just the Isabel I portion of it without any mention of ENEB. According to the ECE report I received, it evaluates Isabel I and then mentions ENEB as a non-credit program. I didn't even receive an "S" for the credits from Ui1 on my evaluation; it was simply assessed as Equivalent to a US Bachelor's degree in Business Administration and Finance.  

So yes, the Double Degree on 1 ENEB + Ui1 Diploma was a bit strange to me at first, and I did not like it. ENEB would not change it for me.  However, ENEB and Ui1 consider it a single program when done this way.  It is essentially an MBA with a Finance concentration.  The MBA+Master programs are in essence, MBAs with specific concentrations, that's how one can look at them.

[eLearner]

Yes, ENEB is registered in the Spanish Registry of Training Entities and is a member of the Spanish Alliance of Training - per our ENEB diplomas which have a certificate registration number.  But that doesn't make them a degree-awarding institution, as they are not a university. 

I think we've all been sure for 5+ years of this discussion that ENEB is not itself accredited and is not a university. I'm just saying that I do not recall the actual Spanish law stating that an unaccredited school was not allowed to award its own degrees. I know I've seen some diplomas from other unaccredited schools in Spain that were not written as certificates.

If someone can bring up the exact law directly from the Spanish government, that would be helpful.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

I want to earn a bachelor’s degree by having an ENEB degree evaluated by ECE. Is that possible?
Has anyone had recent experience with this and can share advice?
Also, should I choose the Agile program for $320 a single master, or are there cheaper and faster alternatives?

Welcome to the Forum and congrats on your first post!
 There is a Template in Degree-planning-section. If you could give that information it would help a lot: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...Area-works

And did you have a look at the wiki? That might also be a good ressource for you: 
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB

Maybe that gives you a clue. And what BA do you want to obtain? What can you invest - beside ENEB?

Thank you for the warm welcome and for sharing those links they’ve been very helpful.

I’m 25, based in Egypt, and currently working full-time. I’m committed to advancing my career, which is why I’m fully dedicated to earning a bachelor’s degree in Business and Project Management.

My budget is limited, so I was initially planning to enroll at UMPI and have already completed 119 credits through Sophia.org. However, someone recently recommended the ENEB pathway. I’ve seen mixed feedback some people say they successfully had their degree evaluated by ECE, while others didn’t, so I’m feeling a bit uncertain.

And I really need your help, is the Agile test the best option in my case?
Or
Are there any more cost effective options available?

Thank you in advance for your guidance.

I was not even familiar with UMPI until it was mentioned here.  It looks like you have already invested a lot of time and effort into 119 credits at Sophia.org.  Why waste them?  If you can transfer all 119 credits to UMPI and complete a Bachelor's there with a reasonable cost, I would think that's better than having to present an MBA or Master's, or MBA + Master's from ENEB, with a Universidad Isabel I diploma, with an ECE Evalutation, as an equivalent to a Bachelor's. (It's a lot of explaining to do, isn't it?)

That's just my opinion. Despite of what I have already done and currently am doing, I plan on eventually doing a standalone Bachelor's for my own satisfaction. I would suggest getting a Bachelor's on its own.

ENEB Tuition + Agile Methodology + Apostille + Evaluation adds up, and it isn't so inexpensive after all

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Yes, ENEB is registered in the Spanish Registry of Training Entities and is a member of the Spanish Alliance of Training - per our ENEB diplomas which have a certificate registration number.  But that doesn't make them a degree-awarding institution, as they are not a university. 

I think we've all been sure for 5+ years of this discussion that ENEB is not itself accredited and is not a university. I'm just saying that I do not recall the actual Spanish law stating that an unaccredited school was not allowed to award its own degrees. I know I've seen some diplomas from other unaccredited schools in Spain that were not written as certificates.

If someone can bring up the exact law directly from the Spanish government, that would be helpful.

I am no expert on Spain's Education Law, but here's what comes up:

"Spanish law prohibits the existence of "unaccredited" universities; any institution offering university-level education must comply with the Organic Law of the University System (LOSU) or be dissolved. This requires institutions to meet quality standards and have their degrees recognized by the national authorities, including the Ministry of Universities and the National Agency for Quality Assessment and Accreditation (ANECA), to ensure they are not just "academies" or private institutions that aren't universities"

https://www.google.com/search?q=spanish+...e&ie=UTF-8

My point is that ENEB is not a university, thus it is not an unaccredited university. ENEB is a registered training center, it would fall under the definition of an "academy" thus it does not confer degrees of any kind. An academy is also called a school, but a school cannot confer a degree unless it is a university.

From what I can tell, ENEB does not issue any degrees, they are training certificates, Ui1 then certifies the completed training with ECTS and issues a Ui1 Diploma as an indirect Titulo Propio.

[muhammadabs]

I want to earn a bachelor’s degree by having an ENEB degree evaluated by ECE. Is that possible?
Has anyone had recent experience with this and can share advice?
Also, should I choose the Agile program for $320 a single master, or are there cheaper and faster alternatives?

Welcome to the Forum and congrats on your first post!
 There is a Template in Degree-planning-section. If you could give that information it would help a lot: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...Area-works

And did you have a look at the wiki? That might also be a good ressource for you: 
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB

Maybe that gives you a clue. And what BA do you want to obtain? What can you invest - beside ENEB?

Thank you for the warm welcome and for sharing those links they’ve been very helpful.

I’m 25, based in Egypt, and currently working full-time. I’m committed to advancing my career, which is why I’m fully dedicated to earning a bachelor’s degree in Business and Project Management.

My budget is limited, so I was initially planning to enroll at UMPI and have already completed 119 credits through Sophia.org. However, someone recently recommended the ENEB pathway. I’ve seen mixed feedback some people say they successfully had their degree evaluated by ECE, while others didn’t, so I’m feeling a bit uncertain.

And I really need your help, is the Agile test the best option in my case?
Or
Are there any more cost effective options available?

Thank you in advance for your guidance.

I was not even familiar with UMPI until it was mentioned here.  It looks like you have already invested a lot of time and effort into 119 credits at Sophia.org.  Why waste them?  If you can transfer all 119 credits to UMPI and complete a Bachelor's there with a reasonable cost, I would think that's better than having to present an MBA or Master's, or MBA + Master's from ENEB, with a Universidad Isabel I diploma, with an ECE Evalutation, as an equivalent to a Bachelor's. (It's a lot of explaining to do, isn't it?)

That's just my opinion. Despite of what I have already done and currently am doing, I plan on eventually doing a standalone Bachelor's for my own satisfaction. I would suggest getting a Bachelor's on its own.

ENEB Tuition + Agile Methodology + Apostille + Evaluation adds up, and it isn't so inexpensive after all

UMIP cost 1700$ per subscription, plus the application fees, documents translation and evaluation which is around 300$
I might not be able to complete it within a single subscription. So overall, it could end up costing around $2,000–$3,700, which is quite a lot for me at the moment.

I definitely plan to get it later especially after all the work I’ve already done on Sophia but right now, I just need any degree that’s as affordable and fast as possible.