11-08-2012, 12:58 PM
OtherSyde Wrote:They didn't think religion was stupid per se, but they did found America as a a secular nation.I invite you to provide evidence of your statement and say why you think that America was founded as a secular nation.
From what I've researched, that is not the case. Please note, that the following historical evidence, I've listed are just a few of the myriad of evidences.
From the very foundation:
1606 Charter for a colony in Virginia
“To make habitation... and to deduce a colony of sundry of our people into that part of America commonly called Virginia... in propagating of Christian religion to such people as yet live in darkness”
1609 - Another Charter for Virginia
“The principal effect which we can desire or expect of this action is the conversion.. of the people in those parts unto the true worship of God and Christian religion.”
The Mayflower Compact (just one example from that document).
“Having undertaken for the glory of God and advancement of the Christian faith... [we] combine ourselves together into a civil body politic for... furtherance of the ends aforesaid.”
1629 Charter of Massachusetts
“Our said people... be so religiously, peaceably, and civilly governed [that] their good life and orderly conversation may win and incite the natives of... [that] country to the knowledge and obedience of the only true God and Savior of mankind, and the Christian faith, which... is the principal end of this plantation [colony].”
1663 Charter for Rhode Island
“Pursuing with peace and loyal minds, their sober, serious and religious intentions of Godly edifying themselves and one another in the holy Christian faith,.. a most flourishing civil state may stand and best be maintained... with a full liberty in religious concernments.”
The “Fundamental Orders of Connecticut” — The first constitution written in the United States. Also the direct antecedent of our current federal Constitution.
“Well knowing when a people are gathered together, the word of God requires that to maintain the peace and union of such a people, there should be an orderly and decent government established according to God”
“Enter into combination and confederation together to maintain and perserve the liberty and purity of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess... which, according to the truth of the said Gospel, is now practiced amongst us."
In 1643 the colonies of Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Plymouth and New Haven came together to form the “New England Confederation”, basically Americas first united government.
“We all came into these parts of America with one and the same end and aim, namely to advance the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
From the Founding Fathers:
Samuel Adams - Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I... recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.
(Will of Samuel Adams)
Charles Carroll - Signer of the Declaration of Independence
On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.
(Letter written by Charles Carroll to Charles W. Wharton, Esq., on September 27, 1825, from Doughoragen, Maryland.)
William Cushing - First Associate Justice Appointed by George Washington to the Supreme Court
Sensible of my mortality, but being of sound mind , after recommending my soul to Almighty God through the merits of my Redeemer and my body to the earth...
(Will of William Cushing)
John Dickinson - Signer of the Constitution
Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station amoung His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.
(Will of John Dickinson)
John Hancock - Signer of the Constitution
I John Hancock,... being advanced in years and being of perfect mind and memory-thanks be given to mind-therefore calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing it is appointed for all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make and ordain this my last will and testament... Principally and first of all, I give and recommend my soul into the hands of god that gave it: and my body I recommend to the earth... nothing doubting but at the general resurrection I shall receive the same again by the mercy and power of God...
(Will of John Hancock)
Patrick Henry - Governor of Virginia, Patriot
This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.
(Will of Patrick Henry)
John Jay - First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court
Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and a humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. He has been pleased to bless me with excellent parents, with a virtuous wife, and with worthy children. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country; His providence has not only conducted me to this tranquil situation but also given me abundant reason to be contented and thankful. Blessed be His holy name!
(Will of John Jay)
Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer - Signer of the Constitution
In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer... of disposing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer.
(Will of Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer)
Henry Knox - Revolutionary War General, Secretary of War
First, I think it proper to express my unshaken opinion of the immortality of my soul or mind; and to dedicate and devote the same to the supreme head of the Universe - to that great and tremendous Jehovah, - Who created the universal frame of nature, worlds, and systems in number infinite... To this awfully sublime Being do I resign my spirit with unlimited confidence of His mercy and protection...
(Will of Henry Knox)
John Langdon - Signer of the Consitution
In the name of God, Amen. I , Joh Langdon, .. considering the uncertainty of life and that it is appointed unto all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make, ordain and publish this my last will and testament in the manner following, that is to say-First: I commend my soul to the infinite mercies of God in Christ Jesus, the beloved Son of the Father, who died and rose again that He might be the Lord of the dead and of the living... professing to believe and hop in the joyful Scripture doctrine of a resurrection to eternal life...
(Will of John Langod)
And here's a small (very small) list of some founding fathers that were not only religious, but were Christian.
John Morton - Signer of the Declaration of Independence
Benjamin Rush - Signer of the Declaration of Independence
Roger Sherman - Signer of the Declaration of Independence
Zephaniah Swift - Author of America’s First Legal Text
Jonathan Trumbull - Governor of Connecticut
John Witherspoon - Signer of the Declaration of Independence
Gunning Bedford - Signer of the Constitution
Elias Boudinot - President of Congress
Jacob Broom - Signer of the Constitution
James Iredell - U.S. Supreme Court Justice
William Samuel Johnson - Signer of the Constitution
James Kent - Father of American Jurisprudence
Francis Scott Key - Author of the “Star Spangled Banner”
Robert Treat Paine - Signer of the Declaration of Independence
Timothy Pickering - Revolutionary General. Secretary of State
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