cookderosa Wrote:Apples and oranges, not antipathy. A graduate with an AA for transfer hasn't yet earned their job skills they'll earn when they do their major. In other words, the "free community college" hasn't paid for 2 (+) years that matter- the last 2.
They matter because you need the first two years to earn the 4-year degree. Let's say that there is a shortage of people with bachelor's degrees in computer science (according to the government, there is). The average associate's degree at a community college will cost $6,000. The average cost of the last two years of college is $18,000, but the cost of the last two years doesn't really matter. Free community college just saved that student $6,000 making it easier for him or her to afford the last two years or to graduate with less debt.
cookderosa Wrote:I guess my problem is that I don't see it as a problem that needs solving.
We do have Pell Grants- and it's true not everyone qualifies, but many do! https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/grant...ships/pell
There are avenues to access scholarships while you're enrolled, especially at the community college level (Rebel can share his daughter's awesome story)
CLEP exams are accepted in some amount at most community colleges in the country for those so inclined
Somewhere around 60% of large companies offer tuition reimbursement in some amount
College isn't the only way to earn a living in this country, only about half the adults even have college degrees
K-12 is already mandated and funded by the government, secondary education is still a privilege - but people are arguing as if it's an entitlement.
Everyone on this board is a shining example of exceptional motivation not exceptional privilege or exceptional talent (though I'm sure we have both, too) and frankly, a little more chutzpah will take a person farther than a few more dollars.
Eliminating the Pell Grant eliminates the middle man and waste. You can educate more people with roughly the same amount of money by distributing the money more efficiently.
College isn't the only way to earn a living, but those with associate's and bachelor's degree do earn more than people with just a high school diploma or GED, on average.
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CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
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4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
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MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc