Quick question regarding TESC ASBA degree plan...

[nataliedujour]

Hey all, long-time lurker/first-time poster and all that. I recently got my first academic evaluation back from TESC with my transfer/AP credits applied. I'm in the process of trying to outline which CLEP/TECEPs I need to take to fulfill the rest of my requirements for the ASBA program, but one particular part of the evaluation has me a bit confused:

N) 2: Core (18sh)
Credits: 0
Complete all 5 subrequirements:
N) A: Intr Finl/Mgrl Acctg
> Complete one full year of Introductory/Principles of
> Accounting (Principles of Financial Accounting and
> Principles of Managerial Accounting)
Credits: 0
N) Group 1
ACC-101 Prin. of Finl Acctg__________________________ 1 course needed
ACC-102 Prin. of Mgrl Acctg__________________________ 1 course needed
N) Group 2
ACC-181 Intro. to Financial Acctg I__________________ 1 course needed
ACC-182 Intro. to Financial Acctg I__________________ 1 course needed
ACC-183 Intro. to Managerial Acctg___________________ 1 course needed

The way that section is worded, I'm interpreting it to mean I must complete one of the two groups (e.g. either I complete ACC-101 and ACC-102, OR I complete ACC-181, ACC182, and ACC183). Could any of you let me know if I'm reading it right or if I'm way off? Thanks

edit: here is the full academic evaluation for the ASBA program (full disclosure -- I originally applied under the BA in Communications, not sure why I did that, but this evaluation was generated with the "what-if" option, as I'm particularly interested in an ASBA at this time.)

Exam credits that were transferred: AP Calculus, AP English Composition, AP English Literature
(both of the English tests appear as "duplicated" on the evaluation, because I had originally gotten credit for those at my local CC -- I had the scores sent directly by the College Board as well.)
CC credits that were transferred: Intro to Psychology, Intro to Shakespeare (appears to have been credited as a Gen Ed elective), Intro to Telecommunications

Program Status: In Progress
Current.......... Anticipated(*).......
Required Earned Remaining Additional Remaining

Institutional Credits: 15.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Institutional GPA....: Met
Combined Credits: 60.00 27.00 33.00 0.00 33.00
Combined GPA....: 2.000 2.675 Met


(*) Anticipates completion of in-progress and registered courses
================================================================================
Statuses: W=Waived, C=Complete, I=In progress, N=Not started
P=Pending completion of unfinished activity
================================================================================
I) 1: ASBA General Education (30 Sh)
Credits: 15
Complete all 4 subrequirements:
I) A: Intellectual Skills
> Complete 12 semester hours (SH) of Intellectual and
> Practical Skills coursework, to include:
> *English Composition I, 3SH with grade of C or better
> *English Composition II (Writing Intensive), 3SH with grade
> of C or better
> *Quatitative Business Analysis, 3SH
> *Intellectual and Practical Skills Electives, 3SH
Credits: 9
C) ENC-101
ENC-101 English Composition I...... 06/01/10 CR 3 *NE
C) ENC-102 (Writing Intensive)
ENC-102 English Composition II..... 12/01/10 B- 3 *TE
C) Quantitative Business Analysis
MAT-231 Calculus I................. 06/01/10 CR 3 *NE
N) Intellectual and Practical Skills
____________________________________________________ 3 credits needed

N) B: Responsibility
> Complete 9 semester hours (SH) in Personal and Social
> Responsibility coursework to include:
> *Diversity or Global Literacy, 3SH
> *Responsible Ethical Leadership, 3SH
> *Elective, 3SH
Credits: 0
N) Diversity or Global Literacy
____________________________________________________ 3 credits needed
N) Responsible Ethical Leadership
____________________________________________________ 3 credits needed
N) Personal and Social Responsibility Elective
____________________________________________________ 3 credits needed

I) C: Human Cultures
> Complete 6 semester hours (SH) in Human Cultures and the
> Physical and Natural World to include:
> *Macroeconomics or Microeconomics, 3SH
> *Interdisciplinary (combination of Humanities, Social
> Sciences, Natural Sciences and Interdisciplinary), 3SH
Credits: 3
N) Macroeconomics OR Microeconomics
____________________________________________________ 3 credits needed
C) Interdisciplinary
PSY-101 Introduction to Psychology. 12/01/10 A 3 *TE


C) D: General Ed Electives
> Complete 3 semester hours (SH) in General Education
> Electives.
ENG-299 Spec. Stud. in Selected Top 03/01/11 C 3 *TE
================================================================================
N) 2: Core (18sh)
Credits: 0
Complete all 5 subrequirements:
N) A: Intr Finl/Mgrl Acctg
> Complete one full year of Introductory/Principles of
> Accounting (Principles of Financial Accounting and
> Principles of Managerial Accounting)

Credits: 0
N) Group 1
ACC-101 Prin. of Finl Acctg__________________________ 1 course needed
ACC-102 Prin. of Mgrl Acctg__________________________ 1 course needed
N) Group 2
ACC-181 Intro. to Financial Acctg I__________________ 1 course needed
ACC-182 Intro. to Financial Acctg I__________________ 1 course needed
ACC-183 Intro. to Managerial Acctg___________________ 1 course needed

N) B: Business Law
> Complete Business Law
LAW-201 Business Law_________________________________ 1 course needed

N) C: Prin of Management
> Complete Principles of Management.
____________________________________________________ 3 credits needed

N) D: Intro to Marketing
> Complete Principles of Marketing
____________________________________________________ 3 credits needed

N) E: Computers/CIS
> Complete 3 credits of Introduction to computers/CIS
____________________________________________________ 3 credits needed
================================================================================
I) 3: Business Electives (6sh)
> Complete 6 sh from accounting, banking, business, computer
> applications, computer information systems, finance,
> management, hotel/motel/restaurant management, insurance,
> marketing, operations management, public administration,
> real estate law, retailing management and human resource
> management.
CAP-210 Intro to Telecommunications 03/01/11 C 3 *TE
____________________________________________________ 3 credits needed
================================================================================
N) 4: Free Electives (6 Sh)
> Complete 6 sh in any subject area.
____________________________________________________ 6 credits needed
================================================================================
OTHER COURSES: Registered Earned
Credits Credits
ENC-102............. 06/01/10 CR 3.00 3.00 *RI *NE
English Composition II
ENC-101............. 06/01/09 CR 3.00 3.00 *RI *NE
English Composition I
ENC-102............. 06/01/09 CR 3.00 3.00 *RI *NE
English Composition II
(Credits in parentheses are anticipated earned)

[bricabrac]

You only need fill group 1 - ACC-101 and ACC-102.


I just noticed that ACC-181-ACC183 is most likely transferred in from another institution (or quite possibly a certification). See the evaluation posted on this thread. Under free electives.

[EI2HCB]

Is your concentration in Accounting? You're evaluation is good for six months, so get Clepping! I'm sure someone will be able to clarify the difference between the 101 and the 181 courses as I'm thinking they are probably all lower lever courses. Make sure you post here the evaluated AP credits so that you don't duplicate them by taking CLEP.

[nataliedujour]

Thanks for the replies, bricabrac and EI2HCB! I've edited the original post to include my full academic evaluation as well (since you guys here at the forum always seem to have great advice regarding the best way to finish these degrees)

[bricabrac]

Thanks for the replies, bricabrac and EI2HCB! I've edited the original post to include my full academic evaluation as well (since you guys here at the forum always seem to have great advice regarding the best way to finish these degrees)

I recently posted a plan for this degree. After reviewing what you've already taken, I tweaked it a bit to highlight what I think would be the best choices for you.

Good luck!


To take advantage of the pay per credit tuition plan, Associate's 12cr residency requirement, I have included 4 TECEP exams:

1. General Education
A. Intellectual and Practical Skills
TECEP Applied Liberal Arts Mathematics (MAT-105-TE)[INDENT]Alternate: Aleks Intermediate Algebra (MAT-115)
[/INDENT]
B. Responsibliity
SL Business Ethics (PHI-384)
CLEP Intro to Sociology (SOC-101)
DSST Intro Anthropology (ANT-101)[INDENT]Alternate: SL Intro to Religion (REL-405)
[/INDENT]
C. Human Cultures
SL Macroeconomics (ECO-111)

2. Core
SL Accounting I or PF Accounting 1 (ACC-101)
SL Accounting II or PF Accounting 2 (ACC-102)
CLEP Intro Business Law (LAW-201)
CLEP Prin of Management (MAN-301)
CLEP Prin of Marketing (MAR-301)
TECEP Computer Concepts and Applications (CIS-107-TE)[INDENT]Alternate: DSST Intro to Computing (COS-101)[/INDENT]

3: Business Electives
TECEP Public Relations Thought & Practice (COM-210-TE) - Marketing Elective[INDENT]Alternate: DSST Principles of Supervision (MAN-201)
Alternate: DSST Intro to Business (BUS-101)


[/INDENT]
4: Free Electives
TECEP [URL="http://www2.tesc.edu/tecep.php?CourseCode=ENG-201"]Technical Writing (ENG-201-TE)
[/URL]DSST Intro to Business (BUS-101)[INDENT]Alternate: TEEX Online FREE Course Bundles - x2-3 (4-6cr)
Alternate: Analyzing & Interpreting Literature (6cr)
[/INDENT]



Also, below are links to Sanantone's wiki pages. They provide a comprehensive list of available tests and/or courses.
Sanantone's General Education Options - Degree Forum Wiki
Sanantone's BSBA General Management - Degree Forum Wiki

[nataliedujour]

I recently posted a plan for this degree. After reviewing what you've already taken, I tweaked it a bit to highlight what I think would be the best choices for you.

Good luck!

Wow, thank you so much! This is seriously a huge help. I was trying to put something like this together myself but was just getitng so lost. One more quick question: do you think I could potentially substitute the Marketing Communications TECEP under Intellectual and Practical Skills? I'm hesitant to mess with your TECEP recommendations too much for fear of not meeting the residency requirements, but I hope substituting one TECEP for another shouldn't be an issue.

[bricabrac]

Wow, thank you so much! This is seriously a huge help. I was trying to put something like this together myself but was just getitng so lost. One more quick question: do you think I could potentially substitute the Marketing Communications TECEP under Intellectual and Practical Skills? I'm hesitant to mess with your TECEP recommendations too much for fear of not meeting the residency requirements, but I hope substituting one TECEP for another shouldn't be an issue.

You are welcome! Happy to help!

Sure, Marketing Communications fits the grouping. You can choose any combination of 4 TECEPs/courses you want as long as they fill that needed requirement. I just thought since you are at the calculus level, you would not need to study for a gen math test. The exam would be very, very easy for you; it's high school math. Take a look at the test description. You could also swap out the business elective, COM210 Public Relations for Marketing Communications.

Take a look at the TECEP list, you have quite a few choices!

[nataliedujour]

You are welcome! Happy to help!

Sure, Marketing Communications fits the grouping. You can choose any combination of 4 TECEPs/courses you want as long as they fill that needed requirement. I just thought since you are at the calculus level, you would not need to study for a gen math test. The exam would be very, very easy for you; it's high school math. Take a look at the test description. You could also swap out the business elective, COM210 Public Relations for Marketing Communications.

Take a look at the TECEP list, you have quite a few choices!

Oh, you think the exam for that particular math TECEP would really be that easy? lol, I might as well do that then and just get it out of the way!

edit: Wow, I just took a look at that test description -- that would be no sweat! I've got half a mind to sign up for it right this second, lol. Do I need to get my degree program officially switched to the ASBA first, though (since it's still technically a BA in Communications at the moment)? I imagine I'd need to contact the Registrar for that.

[bricabrac]

Yeah, had a feeling you would get excited once you read some of those questions. LOL. I took the actual course, it was an easy A. ;-)

Instead of taking DSST Intro to Business, take the Marketing Communications exam. It will apply to both the ASBA and the BA Communications AOS (2 birds one stone). You will also acquire 15/24 residency credits towards your BA.

Yes, call or email the Registrar; you don't need to change degrees, just ask them to activate the ASBA. The rule is you are allowed to enroll in both an Associate and Bachelor program at the same time. It's actually best because you will be completing residency requirements for both degrees at the same time. You then decide if you want to graduate with the ASBA first; or, wait until you've also completed the Bachelor's degree and graduate with both on the same conferral date for one grad fee.





Now I also understand your interest in COM courses. A few exams/courses I know will fit the area of study and/or human cultures, gen ed (and more important have received positive feedback):

TESC Managerial Communications (MAN-373); TECEP Marketing Communications (MAR-321); Saylor Corporate Communications (COM-373), TESC Elements of Intercultural Communication (COM-335), TESC Interpersonal Communication (COM-330), SL Business Communications (COM-300), TECEP Public Relations (COM-210), SL Intro to Communications (COM-108); Penn Foster Business & Technical Writing (ENG-216), TECEP or DSST Technical Writing (ENG-201); TECEP Introduction to News Reporting (JOU-110).

Unsure of the difficulty level of the following: Alt. ECE Interpersonal Communication (COM-330), DSST Public Speaking (COM-209) refreshed 2014.

[nataliedujour]

Yeah, had a feeling you would get excited once you read some of those questions. LOL. I took the actual course, it was an easy A. ;-)

Instead of taking DSST Intro to Business, take the Marketing Communications exam. It will apply to both the ASBA and the BA Communications AOS (2 birds one stone). You will also acquire 15/24 residency credits towards your BA.

Yes, call or email the Registrar; you don't need to change degrees, just ask them to activate the ASBA. The rule is you are allowed to enroll in both an Associate and Bachelor program at the same time. It's actually best because you will be completing residency requirements for both degrees at the same time. You then decide if you want to graduate with the ASBA first; or, wait until you've also completed the Bachelor's degree and graduate with both on the same conferral date for one grad fee.





Now I also understand your interest in COM courses. A few exams/courses I know will fit the area of study and/or human cultures, gen ed (and more important have received positive feedback):

TECEP Marketing Communications (MAR-321), SL Business Communications (COM-300), TESC Elements of Intercultural Communication (COM-335), TESC Managerial Communications (MAN-373), Saylor Corporate Communications (COM-373), TECEP Public Relations (COM-210), TECEP or DSST Technical Writing (ENG-201), Penn Foster Business & Technical Writing (ENG-216), SL Intro to Communications (COM-108), and TECEP Introduction to News Reporting (JOU-110).

Unsure of the difficulty level of the following: ECE Interpersonal Communication (COM-330), DSST Public Speaking (COM-209) refreshed 2014.

bricabrac, you're a godsend! This is awesome, I've read some stories of others on this forum who had completed both an Associate and Bachelor's at the same time, and wasn't sure if it would be possible for my situation or not. It sounds like you recommend taking that route (both degrees at once) rather than getting the ASBA first; I'll definitely have to weigh whether or not getting the Associate's now is more important to me than saving money on the grad fee by doing both on the same date.