TESC Roadmap Help. Please.

[kevinmanemane]

According to TESC catalog link that shows the distribution of how CLEPs/DSSTs are 100, 200, 300, and 400 level courses (Undergraduate Ways to Earn Credit - Thomas Edison State College - acalog ACMSâ„¢, the way i see it - this should work out for me hypothetically speaking:

For a Liberal Studies degree, i need 33 credits distributed with 6 credits being 100level, at least 18 being 300+, and the rest (9) as 200+

So here goes:
Lets just call Social Science & History as the 100level 6 credits.
Boom! - the end of that.

27 to go - 18 have to be at the 300+ level and 9 at the 200


For the 9 credits at the 200 level CLEPS/DSSTs i got:
Business Law II (Law 202)
Principles of Supervision (MAN 201)
and Civil War & Reconstruction (HIS 252)
Boom! - done.

For the 18 credits at the 300+ level CLEP/DSSTs i currently got:
Human Resource Management (MAN 331)
Business Ethics & Society (BUS 311)
and Substance Abuse (SOS 305)

So theres 9 of the 18 300levels done.

Now, i know no one here is an official TESC counselor dude or whatever but would you hypothetically concur that for a Liberal Arts Degree if i just did these 3 CLEP/DSSTs:
Intro to Modern Middle East (HIS 309)
Principles of Marketing (MAR 301)
and Organizational Behavior (MAN 311)

that all that should PROBABLY cover my upper level requirements?

I know you cant be 100% but its the way i see it so you verifying it just means im not the only one crazy

[NAP]

I have a couple of questions about your plan:

Are you allowed to have any UL business credits to meet this section of the requirements?

This link says “The program is designed for students interested in combining coursework in two or more disciplines within Liberal Arts subject areas to create a multidisciplinary degree.” (Does Liberal Arts include Business at TESC?):

Thomas Edison State College | BA in Liberal Studies

Do you have to follow a pattern that is listed? (I am sure you can rearrange the categories, but I wonder if the choices have to match the number of credits. Also, are these the only 4 categories that you can choose from?)

EXAMPLE I:
Humanities (12)
Social Sciences (3)
Natural Sciences (6)
Mathematics (12)
33 credits TOTAL

EXAMPLE II:
Social Sciences (18)
Natural Sciences (9)
Humanities (6)
33 credits TOTAL

EXAMPLE III:
Humanities (27)
Social Sciences (6)
33 credits TOTAL

Thomas Edison State College | BA in Liberal Studies Credit Distribution

I am not a TESC student. My experience is with EC and they make a distinction between Arts & Sciences (Humanities, Social Sciences/History, Natural Sciences/Mathematics) and Applied Professional (like Business).

Be sure to find out how this works. Since you are interested in Business, you may want to check all 3 schools’ programs. There are many students here who have already completed Business degrees.

[kevinmanemane]

NAP!
i believe you are correct. SHooT!

From what i've looked into, the Liberal Studies can only be in the areas of Social Science, Humanities, Natural Sciences, and Math.

HOWEVER!
Have no fear - i think i came up with a new plan crossing off stuff ive taken and stuff i need to take and i think i broke it down into having to only have to take 6 cleps.

Check it out:

Lets go over the requirements again:
6 credits in 100Level, 9 in 200level, 18 at 300+

All right: Social Science & History for the 6 credit 100 level
BOOM!

Done.

Now, 9 in the 200 level:
(Social Science) (3): Civil War
(Math) (3): Statistics

and then would just need to take (Natural Science) (3) Environment & Humanity

BOOM! So there's one DSST i would need to take

And now the 18 credits at 300 level:
(Social Science) (3) Substance Abuse

and then i would take:
(Humanities) (3) World Religions
(Social Science) (3) Modern Middle East
(Social Science) (3) Vietnam War
(Social Science) (3) Rise & Fall
(Social Science) (3) Org Behavior

NOW!

What you think about that!?

I think that oughta do it. Sucks that my Business Law and Business Ethics wouldn't apply but I didnt study at all for BS Law and I only spent a week studying for BS Ethics anyway.

I might have a problem with the College Comp cuz i only took a 3 credit community college english comp class, but ive heard i can do straighterline english II to satisfy TESC's 6 credits for college comp. Or just CLEP that too.

So the remaining CLEPs/DSSTs:
Environment & Humanity
World Religions
Modern Middle East
Vietnam War
Rise & Fall
Org Behavior
and probably English Comp

So 7 Cleps total

doesnt sound too bad.


Whatdoya'll think.

[bricabrac]

Sucks that my Business Law and Business Ethics wouldn't apply but I didnt study at all for BS Law and I only spent a week studying for BS Ethics anyway.

I am not sure about the in/outs of the liberal arts degree but for the social science my business courses were applied towards free electives. I do wonder about your ethics course...I wonder if they are able to use it as a humanities course or a gened? I'm thinking about org behavior being used as both a business and social science course. Probably not, because its been slated as business in society but only an advisor can answer that question. It doesn't hurt to ask.

[NAP]

Great; you recovered quickly from that potentially bad news!

You have chosen 24 Social Science, 3 Humanities, 3 Natural Science, and 3 Math credits.

My next question is:

How closely do you need to follow the number of credits given in the examples? If you only had 2 categories, does it have to be 27 and 6 credits? (Can it be 15 and 18 credits?) Since you have 4 categories, does it have to be spread out to 12, 3, 6, 12 credits? Or can it be any combination of credits within those 4 categories, like the number of credits you chose for each?

I don’t know the answer to this and hope more TESC students will be able to help you.

Also, be sure that the rest of your General Education credits match up correctly.

I’m glad you found this forum. You will have you degree finished soon!

[kevinmanemane]

NAP! there you go again trying to ruin my groove man.
hahaha
totally playing. i know youre looking out and i definitely appreciate it.

From the examples and from what i've read on TESC's wesbite, it looks like me doing 24 in Social Science and 3 in everything else is totally all right.
In fact, I believe as long as you have at least 2 subjects, you could do 30 in one and 3 in the other as long as that 3 was a 300+ level course.

So i'm pretty sure my plan works.

I think what i'm gonna do actually before i take any more cleps on a hope is send in my app, transcripts, and 75 big ones to TESC and see what their evaluation says.

If it looks to be about what i calculated and its only gonna be 6 or 7 more cleps - then for sure im just gonna go with them.

If it looks all askew and weird and they want me to do like a million different things, then ill just go with Excelsior cuz theyve already done me a nice unofficial eval and for THEM it looks like all i gotta do is:

DSST Rise & Fall
PFC Cost Accounting
2 ECE exams (or 1 6unit UL ECE exam)
and the capstone course
and info lit, of course

But the reason id rather do the TESC way if its only gonna be 6 cleps is that 5 of those cleps are TECHNICALLY lower level and therefore a little easier - PLUS I can get IC help on all of em. And not to mention they're free and super easy to go to - at my base, i dont even need to make an appointment.
So it would be tight to just apply, make sure its only 6 or 7 cleps - take the cleps, enroll, sign up for graduation, and bizOunCE and not have to deal with TESC's unparalleled lack of good customer service.


Now, NAP!
What you think about that, sir?
i think my plan looks pretty good for the most part.

[NAP]

Since I don’t know very much about TESC degree plans, I have learned a lot from yours. Thanks for letting me “help” you and being such a good sport about it.

Checking with TESC sounds like a great plan.

.....
If it looks all askew and weird and they want me to do like a million different things, then ill just go with Excelsior cuz theyve already done me a nice unofficial eval and for THEM it looks like all i gotta do is:

DSST Rise & Fall
PFC Cost Accounting
2 ECE exams (or 1 6unit UL ECE exam)
and the capstone course
and info lit, of course

......

Thank you for sharing this. I was wondering how completing your degree at the 2 schools compared.

[kevinmanemane]

Cool.
Thanks a lot NAP.
i could mosey around and try to figure out myself with help all day and stuff but im never gonna get the official scoop until i actually apply and get my credits evaluated.

So, after researching for the past few days, it LOOKS as if it should only be 6-7 cleps. But we'll find out in a month or so when I get my eval.
Hopefully we're right.

In the meantime, I KNOW for a fact in whichever college i go to, EC or TESC, I'm gonna need Rise & Fall of the Soviet Union.
So for the next month while i wait to get the scoop from TESC, i'll study for that and get that one done cause from what i heard its the hardest from any of the ones on my lists of exams.

So that'll be cool cause is TESC turns out like i think it will, i'll already have the hardest DSST done and my spiritsll be as HIGH as Method Man.

thanx again NAP!
let you know how the eval turns out.

[NAP]

I’m glad you will be able to use the application process time so well.

Thanks for keeping me (and us) updated on your progress.

[vsantos316]

hey kevinmanemane,
Did you get the evaluation back?