TESU Accuplacer vs 24 RA credits

[rachel83az]

About the double degree question. I mean is it possible to do BA CS and English as ONE degree with 2 AOS? Or would it only be possible to do 1 BA CS and then a separate degree for BA English? 

In an ideal world, I would love to do this:
1) BA CS & English (One degree, double major- assuming this combination is not possible).

TESU limits you to 2 degrees per level (Associate/Bachelor/Master). Each of those degrees can have up to two AOS. Because of the overlap limit, you actually need "fairly different" AOS. You could not get a BALS - Psych and the BA Psych, for instance. They are too similar. You might not even be able to get a BALS-Social Science and a BA Psych. Again, too similar.

BACS and BA English are perfect because there is 0 overlap. This makes it a bit more expensive than degrees with some overlap, but there are also no concerns about too much overlap in the same way that there can, sometimes, be with BACS and Math or BACS and BSBA CIS.

2) BSBA General Management & Marketing (One degree, double major)

I'm not sure if the General Management BSBA degree can be obtained with any other BSBA. IIRC, it wasn't possible in the past. Instead of General Management, I would recommend either HR/Org. Management or Entrepreneurship. Both of those are fairly similar to the General Management BSBA, but there won't be any pushback about whether or not you can also complete the Marketing AOS.

The General Management degree is usually considered to be the "BALS" of TESU's BSBA offerings. It's a kind of check-the-box degree that doesn't really mean anything special. That's fine for some people, not for others.

3) AS Mathematics

Great! But you might as well add the AS in Computer Science, too. Counts as a single degree and it'll be completed automatically with the BACS. Or, if you want to be really adventurous, you could go for the AS in Biology. Buuuuut, that'd require several extra courses and Biology II isn't cheap.

4) ASBA CIS

There is no CIS concentration/AOS for the ASBA. It's just an ASBA. But, just like the AS in Comp Sci, you'll complete all requirements automatically on the way to any BSBA. So, you might as well add it to your plan.

If you do the BSBA Marketing and Org. Management/Entrepreneurship, you could also get the CIS certificate if you want to "cheat" and get an "extra AOS" somewhere. The CIS certificate should (mostly) be completed automatically with the BACS. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...on_Systems Or you could get the BSBA CIS and the Marketing certificate. I am not sure which would be best/easiest.

[bjcheung77]

@Personherebb9, you quoted my response already, that's my answer... It remains "Yes, any dual major combination will work".  To elaborate, as long as the degree is in the same school, you can have a BA Computer Science and 'WHATEVER' that second major is.  Having said that, this is my suggestion, review post #6 and the links I have as it will explain the process.

In an ideal world, I would love to do this:  Sure, but make the following changes...
1) BA CS & English (One degree, double major).  Keep this as is, if you want English.
2) BSBA General Management & Marketing (One degree, double major) - CIS & Entrepreneurship
3) AS Mathematics > Add the Computer Science since it's done without extra work!
4) ASBA CIS > It's just ASBA, there is no concentration or minor for this associates!
If you want, you can get the AS Applied Computer Studies/Environmental Safety and Security Technologies

Again, review the link I mentioned in post #6. You can get multiple certs in business.
1) As I mentioned, any dual major combo will work, stick with Computer Science & English.
2) BSBA is already a general management degree, you can get a cert in Marketing instead of an AOS.
3) AS CS & Math, since you're getting the BACS or BSBA CIS, all the CS courses are completed
4) I suggest the AS instead, all the required courses are complete, but the associates capstone
You're most likely doing 16 credits for residency, this takes up 3 credits already

[rachel83az]

I wouldn't recommend 3 capstones at once, even if one of those is "only" an Associate capstone. That sounds like a lot more work.

[Personherebb9]

I wouldn't recommend 3 capstones at once, even if one of those is "only" an Associate capstone. That sounds like a lot more work.

For the Capstones. If I decided to go through with 
1) BA CS & English
2) BSBA Marketing & HR/OM (not 100% sure on BSBA majors).

Would I only have to do 1 Liberal Arts Capstone (BA CS & ENG) and 1 BA capstone (BSBA double concentration), or would I have to complete a separate capstone per major/concentration. (4 capstones in total).

I’m also assuming if I were to do a double major per degree, instead of having a “free electives” area, the second AOS for the double major would be fitted into that spot. 

For eg. if I were to do the BA CS & Eng, I would have to take:
1) General Education (45 cr)
2) CS AOS (45 cr)
3) Eng AOS (45 cr)
=135 cr in total.

BSBA (uncertain possible double major)
1) General Education (45 cr)
2) Professional Buss Req (42 cr)
3) (probable) Marketing AOS (18 cr)
4) (possible) HR/OM AOS (18 cr) 
=123 cr in total.

Is that how it would work?
Thank you for all the help it’s much appreciated!

[rachel83az]

You only need to do the capstone once for each "school". So one Liberal Arts Capstone, one Business Capstone. You also only need to do the General Education classes (including the cornerstone) once for all degrees, so you would subtract 45 credits from your totals. You should do about 213 credits all together to complete 4 Bachelor's degrees. This sounds like a lot, but it works out to an average of about 54 credits per degree!

Otherwise, yes, you've got the right idea.

[bjcheung77]

@Personherebb9... My recommendation is to complete one bachelor's first, the BSBA and then work on the BACS, this way, if "life happens" you can at least get one of the degrees done and not halfway between the two.  I also suggest taking one flat rate term (along with the Associates Capstone for the AS degrees I mentioned previously, skip the ASBA as it is redundant) and one term for the two capstones.  See below for example options for residency credit, ACTFL/Foreign credits and transfer:

Transfer Policy: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...-Explained
Courses vs Residency Waiver #1: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...ng-Courses
16 Credits vs Residency Waiver #2: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...Waiver-Fee
ACTFL/Foreign Credits: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...r-to-Big-3

A few people are taking the ENEB MBA/Masters and evaluating it for transfer into TESU, you may want to consider doing that as well.  You end up with 2 associates, 2 bachelors, 2 masters all for under 10K.  You can continue with a local masters at UNISA or something to cap it off when you have the money!  You may also want to review this recent thread: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...of-credits

[Personherebb9]

@Personherebb9... My recommendation is to complete one bachelor's first, the BSBA and then work on the BACS, this way, if "life happens" you can at least get one of the degrees done and not halfway between the two.  I also suggest taking one flat rate term (along with the Associates Capstone for the AS degrees I mentioned previously, skip the ASBA as it is redundant) and one term for the two capstones.  See below for example options for residency credit, ACTFL/Foreign credits and transfer:

Transfer Policy: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...-Explained
Courses vs Residency Waiver #1: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...ng-Courses
16 Credits vs Residency Waiver #2: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...Waiver-Fee
ACTFL/Foreign Credits: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...r-to-Big-3

A few people are taking the ENEB MBA/Masters and evaluating it for transfer into TESU, you may want to consider doing that as well.  You end up with 2 associates, 2 bachelors, 2 masters all for under 10K.  You can continue with a local masters at UNISA or something to cap it off when you have the money!  You may also want to review this recent thread: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...of-credits

Hi thank you for the recommendation! It’s honestly very solid advice and I greatly appreciate it. As I’ve mentioned before my parents are contributing $10k (p/a, if I need to study for longer than 1 year), however this contribution stops THE MOMENT I receive my first diploma. Meaning if I complete 1 degree first, I’ll have to pay the 2nd/3rd/4th diploma on my own, which is theoretically fine, until you remember that the South African minimum wage is just over $2000 PER YEAR. As I’ve also mentioned I have a 9-5 lined up for January, this is a job that my dad offered me at his logistics company. Since I’m working at the company, he can essentially pay for up to $10k max a year as a sort of bursary, from the company. (This is the only reason why my parents can even remotely help me with tuition.)

So even if I take 3/4 years to complete this plan, I’d rather do that and walk away with 2 bachelors and 2 associates completely debt free, than completing 1 in a year and having to make debt for the rest. I’ll definitely also look at the masters/MBA degrees that you’ve mentioned.

If you have any further advice, I’d love to here it

[rachel83az]

What bjcheung77 means is that you should work toward the requirements of one degree first before doing the others. If you were to actually GRADUATE with one degree first, that throws everything off at TESU. New rules apply. You're (probably) not getting the other degree(s).

So you work (mainly) towards, for instance, the BSBA Marketing first. Then, if your parents lose their business or something else happens with life, you could theoretically do the flat rate term, graduate, and walk away with at least 1 degree instead of 0 degrees and ~4 half-finished degrees.

[Personherebb9]

What bjcheung77 means is that you should work toward the requirements of one degree first before doing the others. If you were to actually GRADUATE with one degree first, that throws everything off at TESU. New rules apply. You're (probably) not getting the other degree(s).

So you work (mainly) towards, for instance, the BSBA Marketing first. Then, if your parents lose their business or something else happens with life, you could theoretically do the flat rate term, graduate, and walk away with at least 1 degree instead of 0 degrees and ~4 half-finished degrees.

Aaaaaahhh that makes sense. That was originally my plan. I wanted to finish all my remaining gen eds (English comp 1 & 2, public speaking, etc). Then periodically move through each degree/AOS one-by-one. 

Advice on that: Since Im starting with foreign Finnish credits. (Either way I have to start with them so that I can do my age waiver with the 24 RA credits) 
Most of the Finnish courses I'm looking at are more directed towards the BA CS degree. So wouldn't it make more sense to start with that? Then periodically make my way through the other AOS?

[rachel83az]

I would say wait to see how the credits come in, first. If the BACS winds up with fewer credits to completion, do that one first. If a BSBA is more complete, do that one. It will probably wind up being the BACS, but it's hard to tell at this point.