The Duggars and CollegePlus

[Publius]

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aaaaannnnnnd it's no surprise that this is also the 2nd longest thread in General Education and Testing (that isn't sticky).


BTW, I'm only on page 14. (cause I changed my default to 20 posts per page a while ago)

[rebel100]

[quote=sanantone]That is an assumption that every family that is financially struggling is able to scrape together a few thousand dollars from somewhere. Many families don't even have savings and can barely pay the minimum on bills. Many families have lost their homes in recent years. Eating out wasn't even an option for them in the first place. Our local food banks are still struggling to keep up with demand and our unemployment rate is lower than the national average. This is not an assumption on my part. Not only did I come from a poor family, but I used to work in a homeless shelter. These kinds of circumstances are more common than many Americans might think. 14.9% of households in 2011 had low to very low food security.

USDA ERS - Food Security in the U.S.: Key Statistics & Graphics]



But this has nothing to do with a BUSINESS charging for their product. Some people cant afford a car....doesn't mean Mercedes should give them one. Frankly, if they are as poor as you demonstrate, there is typically quite a bit of free support (PELL Grant anyone)....these folks wouldn't have to have any other support than the guidance counselor to get through college.

Any argument against CP based on their cost is on it's face invalid...your not being forced, cajoled, tricked, or threatened to use CP services.

And to the underpinning point of your argument...the info is in the public domain for free....but there is STILL A COST. When i discovered this and similar web sites I had to check the information, see if it was true, ask questions, probe the answer....if I'm so damn poor the lights are off (yes I've been there) then I now have to find a way to the library and use their computer to access this "free" information. No money is changing hands...but it is still costing me. Robert Heinlein popularized the acronym TANSTAAFL ...There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch...to me your point is refuted...I believe you are wrong...I believe your premise is flawed.

I don't argue that CP is overpriced and the info can be found elsewhere...it's true in my opinion. But we discovered all this around page 3 of this thread.

One way or another there is a cost to any service...the price is being born somewhere.

[rebel100]

....................................and with #272 I've foolishly waded back into the morass of this redonkulous thread.

I can be so impulsive at times.

[mrs.b]

That is an assumption that every family that is financially struggling is able to scrape together a few thousand dollars from somewhere. Many families don't even have savings and can barely pay the minimum on bills. Many families have lost their homes in recent years. Eating out wasn't even an option for them in the first place. Our local food banks are still struggling to keep up with demand and our unemployment rate is lower than the national average. This is not an assumption on my part. Not only did I come from a poor family, but I used to work in a homeless shelter. These kinds of circumstances are more common than many Americans might think. 14.9% of households in 2011 had low to very low food security.

USDA ERS - Food Security in the U.S.: Key Statistics & Graphics

About a quarter of Texas children don't even have health insurance.

Yes, poor families exist, if that hasn't already been acknowledged a few dozen times in this thread. That same resource indicates 79.4% of households with children are food secure, indicating an overwhelming majority of parents can, if pressed to do so, pull money from somewhere if circumstances require. My family has been there and done that (nothing more fun than my husband and I living off ramen noodles so we could afford diapers and medicine for our son), which is why, now that we're more secure, we will drop ridiculous sums of cash for reasons we can only barely explain to ensure our son has every advantage we can give when he's someday in our own shoes to hopefully spare him those ramen noodle-mandated meals. It's parent logic, and I never claimed it would make sense. It merely is.

[rebel100]

lol....I still cant make the stupid quote thing work!

[sanantone]

But this has nothing to do with a BUSINESS charging for their product. Some people cant afford a car....doesn't mean Mercedes should give them one. Frankly, if they are as poor as you demonstrate, there is typically quite a bit of free support (PELL Grant anyone)....these folks wouldn't have to have any other support than the guidance counselor to get through college.

Any argument against CP based on their cost is on it's face invalid...your not being forced, cajoled, tricked, or threatened to use CP services.

And to the underpinning point of your argument...the info is in the public domain for free....but there is STILL A COST. When i discovered this and similar web sites I had to check the information, see if it was true, ask questions, probe the answer....if I'm so damn poor the lights are off (yes I've been there) then I now have to find a way to the library and use their computer to access this "free" information. No money is changing hands...but it is still costing me. Robert Heinlein popularized the acronym TANSTAAFL ...There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch...to me your point is refuted...I believe you are wrong...I believe your premise is flawed.

I don't argue that CP is overpriced and the info can be found elsewhere...it's true in my opinion. But we discovered all this around page 3 of this thread.

One way or another there is a cost to any service...the price is being born somewhere.

This conversation started with Cyrus asking what his other options would be coming from a poor family. I answered. You're jumping on me for going off topic when I did not take this conversation there, which shows your bias. You're even giving likes to people who are lying about the things I have said. But I can tell you that more people can afford bus fare to go to the library than can afford $3,000 for CollegePlus.

I already told Cyrus that there is the Pell Grant for poor people. But you're going to get "likes" for bringing up the obvious and something that I already stated.

[sanantone]

Yes, poor families exist, if that hasn't already been acknowledged a few dozen times in this thread. That same resource indicates 79.4% of households with children are food secure, indicating an overwhelming majority of parents can, if pressed to do so, pull money from somewhere if circumstances require. My family has been there and done that (nothing more fun than my husband and I living off ramen noodles so we could afford diapers and medicine for our son), which is why, now that we're more secure, we will drop ridiculous sums of cash for reasons we can only barely explain to ensure our son has every advantage we can give when he's someday in our own shoes to hopefully spare him those ramen noodle-mandated meals. It's parent logic, and I never claimed it would make sense. It merely is.

But that wasn't the point of the conversation. Cyrus asked what his options would be coming from a poor family. Truly poor families would not be able to pull that kind of money from anywhere. The millions of children who live in poverty and need the most help with financing college will not be helped by CollegePlus.

[rebel100]

You're even giving likes to people who are lying about the things I have said. But I can tell you that more people can afford bus fare to go to the library than can afford $3,000 for CollegePlus.

I'm responding to what I find as your rather odd infatuation with tearing down a legitimate business based on nothing more than your own personal bias and anti-American dogma.

And again, my point is that the person heading out to the library is still investing, perhaps not monetarily, but they are spending time, effort, sweat to get to the library...a library supported by tax dollars and donations from people with....wait for it.......MONEY. I get a little tired of the entitlement mentality, guess what, the poor can't afford CP and are, therefore, not ENTITLED to it.

I have an idea for you, you have expressed difficulty finding a job you like, you mentioned somewhere how much you hate the fat people you work with....you should go start a business doing something your good at. "The Sanantone free school for alternative higher education pathways". Now, being true to your beliefs don't charge anything for the service. Line up area ministers to do the praying for free, you handle all the rest. Get back with us on how that works out for you.

....oh, BTW, if you get a grant from everyone's favorite Sugar Daddy, Uncle Sam, that counts as a failure. Any subsidy removes altruism from the crusade.

From each according to his (her) ability, to each according to their need......and all that stuff.

We at 30 pages yet?

[sanantone]

For anyone who has tried to lie about and distort what I have said and those who have supported them, you will be put on my ignore list once this thread is done.

[rebel100]

But that wasn't the point of the conversation. Cyrus asked what his options would be coming from a poor family. Truly poor families would not be able to pull that kind of money from anywhere. The millions of children who live in poverty and need the most help with financing college will not be helped by CollegePlus.

Meaningless....they have other options. You might as well have left this page blank. It brings nothing to the discussion. That CP doesn't help the poor is a red herring.