06-01-2018, 10:36 PM
(06-01-2018, 10:22 PM)MNomadic Wrote:(06-01-2018, 08:49 PM)sanantone Wrote:(06-01-2018, 08:42 PM)MNomadic Wrote: I agree but the way I see I see it, there are no longer any excuses for not getting a college degree anymore. Between grants, scholarships, ultra cheap/free credits, pierpont BOG aas, and companies like Walmart and Starbucks paying for virtually a whole degree, I can't think of a single situation where a healthy person in the US can't get something.
Most people don't research things. Most people don't even know what CLEP is. They're definitely not going to know about West Virginia community colleges. Surprisingly, a lot of people don't find out about grants until after they apply for college. That's why for-profit colleges were so attractive. They advertised that they could help you find enough aid to cover tuition, and some help prospective students fill out the FAFSA.
Then, you have those students who want the full college experience and don't like the idea of online schooling. Starbucks has a partnership with ASU; Walmart has a partnership with UF. I think the Starbucks benefit is only for ASU Online. The UF partnership covers in-person courses, but if you don't live in Florida, you will have to attend online.
BTW, I'm not suggesting that a college education is the only way. MANY GREAT careers can be had from vocational training or no training.
But What I've found in life is that if someone wants something, they will search for and find it. They will also find a way to make it happen. I have talked to many of my old highschool friends who're at dead ends in their lives and wanted my counsel. I've explained to them dozens of ways that they can improve their situation and they've responded with dozens of excuses as to why they couldn't (not saying this is a comprehensive sampling of everyone's situation throughout the population). Long story short, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Employers and organizations in this country are bending over backwards to help people elevate their career who complain about not making $15 minimum wage. But many are not willing to work to earn a higher pay.
One friend I offered to personally help him with FREE classes that he personally expressed intense interest in(the Teex cyber security courses). His unemployed self somehow still had reasons he couldn't work on the class(he really explained to me multiple times how interested he was in cyber security, but didn't seem to want to learn about it).
Another friend was continually complaining about how hungry he is cuz he can't afford much food but when I tried to explain to him about his VA benefits and how he could probably get training for a better job, he immediately said school wasn't for him.
As for online school, I agree. It is not ideal. I've spoke with many people that told me they were Impressed that I was finishing my education online because they didn't have the self discipline to do that without someone holding their hand. But beggars can't be choosers.
The "college experience": I found that I didn't need an expensive $10,000+ yearly tuition to party and experiment with alcohol/drugs/sex/etc. I also didn't need college to hangout at coffee shops or listen to great lectures. I didn't need a college to get political and go to protests.
I don't want to rant much longer so I'll close this with a quote:
. “You can have results or excuses, but not both.” – Arnold Schwarzenegger
I agree with you. I've given so many people so much advice over the years. Their reactions are usually, "That sounds great," and then they do nothing with the information. Some of it is laziness, and people don't realize that they're actually taking the harder route. A lot of people also have a hard time thinking outside the box.
I'm an introvert, so I never cared about the college experience. I just wanted a degree so that I would be qualified for better jobs. I also like learning for the sake of learning. Lectures don't really do anything for me.
With adult learners, they've found that online courses and traditional courses have the same outcomes. Younger students struggle with time management in online courses. Even though we're close to the year 2020, there are still some people who think that online degree programs are a scam, you won't learn anything, and employers will throw your resume in the trash.
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MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc


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