A Clep Hater

[LaceyLady]

I agree with the debt part but I disagree with the last part...I'm finishing my bachelors and masters in 4 years total with only testing out 3 CLEPs...all the rest I'm doing with regular college classes

Johanna, what you are doing is great. Getting both a bachelors and a masters at a B&M school in 4 years is amazing! But that is not the norm. I agree with the previous poster. Although some people can do it in less time, the average time to complete a bachelor degree is 4 years and getting closer to 5. Therefore it is safe to assume that someone with a B&M bachelors spent 4 years in school to get it.

I just realized that I am a squire now! Working my way up!

[STG]

Lol...okay I got it
by the way, what is a B&M school? I'm assuming bachelors and masters in 1 college? I never heard of that? My masters will be in a different school.

[PonyGirl93]

Lol...okay I got it
by the way, what is a B&M school? I'm assuming bachelors and masters in 1 college? I never heard of that? My masters will be in a different school.

Brick & Mortar. As in, not distance learning (DL)

[burbuja0512]

I agree with the debt (although it doesn't apply to me...so far) part but I disagree with the last part...I'm finishing my bachelors and masters in 4 years total with only testing out 3 CLEPs...all the rest I'm doing with regular college classes

That is really fast for B&M! Would you mind sharing your program? Since so many people here are interested in accelerated programs, it could be helpful.

[cookderosa]

Hello All,

I stumbled into another forum. Someone really really hates any testing out. (Except AP, for whatever reason that is fine. :confused: )

She stated that we are cheating because we do not take 16week course. That instacert is cheating because we just take a couple of hours before our tests and memorize the flash cards, (I wish). Then she spoke of how her degree is worth so much more, yadayadayada. And no, she has never taken a CLEP or DSST.

Overall it was a pretty heated thread. I'm not giving her words to much thought, and I will not stop my testing.

I'm still wondering why this person even cares. If she doesn't like it, then do not do it. The passion of her opposition was entertaining at least.

Not sure why you're giving this person your brain space. You don't have to be evangelical, help those who ask otherwise just work on your own goals.

On the issue of hardness, easiness or whatever.....when your degree requires College Math, do you take Calculus 1 just so no one says you're a slacker? Do you read every page of every text? Do you go ahead and buy the "recommended" texts on top of the "required" texts just to be sure you didn't miss something? Do you never miss a lecture? Heck, why not go ahead and take a double major so no one questions your integrity? My point, is that the COLLEGE decides on the credits allowed, so in my opinion, the person taking the "easy way out" is the one who doesn't put in 5% of resourcefulness to look for faster/cheaper/better solutions to a problem. If your college accepts CLEP, you'd be a fool not to take it. I can't think of a single aspect of industry that values either a) spending excessive amounts of money or b) spending excessive amounts of time.

*I wanted to edit and add a little thing that I usually just keep to myself. Self-teaching is a skill. Not everyone has it. Everyone can develop it, and IMO should try to do so to some degree. MANY people, however, need a teacher to talk at them, to interpret their text and to humanize the text. To "decode it" into simple language. While I think teachers should meet the student's needs, I see this as a weakness to be conquered, not something to be desired- especially to be seen as superior to self teaching. I'm bias because I've been a teacher at a community college for 17 years, and the hand-holding is crippling. I don't do it, period. I require that my students use intuition. I require this of my homeschooled children as well. Resourcefulness, intuition, and self-reliance all fit in well with testing- and a person who lacks those abilities will likely not embrace the testing option, or understand the bigger picture because they don't see themselves as having a deficit.

[kimaya24]

No matter how you take your classes (test out, online, or B&M) YOU have to put forth the effort otherwise you won't pass. Anyway, depending on your degree you can't test out of your core classes or the school requires you to take at least 50% of your major through them and these are the classes employers are looking at. If I'm applying for a job in accounting, I'm pretty sure they could give a rats you know what that I took a biology class!!

Furthermore, majority of what you learn in college you won't ever use anyway! One employer told me that if someone had a degree, it told him that they could learn and were motivated & driven enough to see something from start to finish and understand the job's core concepts in theory, but experience tells him they have the skills.

Anyway, no one can speak on how easy/ hard testing out is if they've never done it themselves. Bottom line, if CLEP/ DSST, etc. weren't relevant...accredited instutions wouldn't accept them. I suppose this person still sends their friends letters and only uses maps because because e-mail and GPS are "too easy" lol!!

Their loss!!

[SRT12]

most of my degree is from a B&M university, so I have taken a bunch of courses. One course was set up like this 10% for HW, 40% midterm and 50% final. Basically that is 2 tests that you could just study for and pass sounds kinda like testing out.

[burbuja0512]

Not sure why you're giving this person your brain space. You don't have to be evangelical, help those who ask otherwise just work on your own goals.



*I wanted to edit and add a little thing that I usually just keep to myself. Self-teaching is a skill. Not everyone has it. Everyone can develop it, and IMO should try to do so to some degree. MANY people, however, need a teacher to talk at them, to interpret their text and to humanize the text. To "decode it" into simple language. While I think teachers should meet the student's needs, I see this as a weakness to be conquered, not something to be desired- especially to be seen as superior to self teaching. I'm bias because I've been a teacher at a community college for 17 years, and the hand-holding is crippling. I don't do it, period. I require that my students use intuition. I require this of my homeschooled children as well. Resourcefulness, intuition, and self-reliance all fit in well with testing- and a person who lacks those abilities will likely not embrace the testing option, or understand the bigger picture because they don't see themselves as having a deficit.

Well put, and yes I have had that thought too. Self-learning isn't bad when you're just memorizing and then regurgitating info, but it can be daunting for totally new topics, for me this meant Microecon, Finance, & Money & Banking. Teaching yourself how to calculate beta is not something everyone can do!

[ryoder]

I got luv for muh haters...

I think that was P Diddy or some other rapper

[Deny44]

Help

Just signed up today...never taken a test or used Instantcert...don't know how this works. Does the flash cards reflect the test? or is the test the typical multipal choice answers?

Thanks