A bit of a Dilemma ..and MBA at the Big 3

[jsd]

I'm torn here between the fallacy of "other's do it therefore it's okay" and the equal fallacy of "the law says it's wrong so therefore it's wrong."

there's a lot of grey area between both, especially when it comes to financial obligations, which after 10 years or so... aren't even legal financial obligations anymore in many situations. Does that make it morally acceptable? probably not. Does that make it pragmatic... probably. Would I feel okay with it, personally? i doubt it.

But I don't do a lot of things that other folks feel okay doing, and I do engage with a lot of things that others probably don't feel okay with doing. I'm not sure how to navigate this here, on a public forum where I don't expect many clones of myself.

[sanantone]

I'm torn here between the fallacy of "other's do it therefore it's okay" and the equal fallacy of "the law says it's wrong so therefore it's wrong."

there's a lot of grey area between both, especially when it comes to financial obligations, which after 10 years or so... aren't even legal financial obligations anymore in many situations. Does that make it morally acceptable? probably not. Does that make it pragmatic... probably. Would I feel okay with it, personally? i doubt it.

But I don't do a lot of things that other folks feel okay doing, and I do engage with a lot of things that others probably don't feel okay with doing. I'm not sure how to navigate this here, on a public forum where I don't expect many clones of myself.

These aren't legal issues; they are ethical issues. A lot of unethical actions are not against the law. Some things that are against the law aren't unethical. I get the pragmatism of not paying a debt that has no effect on you. If you can't get your transcripts and it's making you choose between lying and limiting your options, then the debt does have an effect on you.

[jsd]

I'm not so sure that we're not on the same page ethically, sanantone.

I think it's a matter of if some people let the law (or other issues) over ride their ethics.

or if their ethics are in fact based on the law itself, or other perspectives that we don't value in the same way.

[Mamasaphire]

I'm not sure how to navigate this here, on a public forum where I don't expect many clones of myself.

I'm trying to stay out of this discussion because the amazing rate that words, theories, beliefs, feelings etc are flying around is making my head whirl.

jsd, I just wanted to say that this statement of yours made me smile. It is so true about most of us who are here on the forum and serious about CBE learning (we are all probably not very mainstream), and you are so right -- we are each unique.

I highly doubt there is a clone of me here either. Which is probably a good thing, haha.

[AJ_Atlanta]

I'm trying to stay out of this discussion because the amazing rate that words, theories, beliefs, feelings etc are flying around is making my head whirl.

That brings up an interesting point as well, ethics are impacted by social and cultural beliefs; they are not obvious - but everyone here has or will do a least one ethics course in our pursuit of knowledge

[Mamasaphire]

That brings up an interesting point as well, ethics are impacted by social and cultural beliefs; they are not obvious - but everyone here has or will do a least one ethics course in our pursuit of knowledge

Very good perspective!

[sanantone]

I'm not so sure that we're not on the same page ethically, sanantone.

I think it's a matter of if some people let the law (or other issues) over ride their ethics.

or if their ethics are in fact based on the law itself, or other perspectives that we don't value in the same way.

Again, this discussion has nothing to do with law. It is not against the law to not pay an old debt. It is not against the law to omit transcripts. It's a matter of ethics and potential consequences. How will your actions impact others? Those who base their ethics on laws tend to also base their ethics on rules. Omitting required info on an application is against the rules.

Is no one going to address the outrageous claim that schools don't accept students by merit? Legacy admits aren't even the majority at schools like Harvard.

[soliloquy]

Are you planning on staying local? If so, there are good reasons to have a degree from a local university. Brand perception is hottest in your town. I'm going to say something you won't like, I live in Charlotte and have never even heard of the city Mount Olive let alone the university- I had to google it. I think the perception of the brand OUTSIDE of your immediate area is neutral. For that reason, I'd ask myself if time were the most important factor (1 year MBA is awesome) or if money is (even $17k is a pretty darn good price!) but if it's name brand, you're at the wrong school. Everyone has to decide for themselves- there are people beating themselves up over which Ivy to choose, sure that picking one instead of the other is the path to failure....so it's all relative. It's probably not nearly the problem you're making it out to be. Just my .02

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[soliloquy]

OP, have you pulled your student clearinghouse enrollment history to see what schools are showing up there? I know some schools will look at this history and compare it to the schools you've listed on your application. I was surprised to see a community college on there from ions ago when I pulled mine but I had also listed it even though all I had were Ws there.

It might look something like this...just something to ponder.

[TrailRunr]

Let's agree to disagree and move on.