BA in Sociology, Economics or Statistics

[rachel83az]

TESU is fine with courses from other countries. However, you will need to have them evaluated.

I'm not sure if your SOCI 101 counts as Intro to Sociology. I think it might/should; but if it doesn't, then you can take it from Sophia.org or Study.com.

For Modern Sociological Foundations/Contemporary Sociological theory, I think you'll have to take that from TESU. I could be wrong there, though.

If WRDS 150 doesn't count toward the Research section, you can take Statistics at Sophia.org.

I would definitely recommend getting your Canadian transcript evaluated and then apply to TESU so you know where you stand, exactly. Since you already have a Bachelor's degree, you'd be waived from having to take the gen ed requirements. But you will have to earn at least 24 NEW credits for a TESU degree: https://blog.tesu.edu/the-secret-to-earn...ond-degree

Since the AOS is 45 credits, you should be able to use SOCI 101, SOCI 387, and WRDS 150. That leaves 4 UL Sociology classes + the capstone.
Study.com has Sociology of Work that comes in as SOC-362.
You can take the UExcel Cultural Diversity that should come in as SOC-322.
The UExcel World Population may come in as an UL Sociology class, but you'd need to get that preplanned with an advisor because nobody has reported transferring that one.
Coopersmith has the following courses that would also need to be preplanned: "A Social History of Jewish Food", "Jewish Clothing in History, Society, and Thought", "Sociology of the Ba'al Teshuva Movement", "The Jewish Woman in Medieval Society".
CIS Testing has Sociology of Jewish Food https://cistesting.org/downloads/sociolo...d-soc-103/ This would, again, need to be preplanned to ensure that it comes in as expected. See this thread for more information on how CIS Testing works: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...-Directory It's unknown whether Sociology of Jewish Food and Coopersmith's History of Jewish Food might overlap.

For LL Sociology credits:
SDC has Victimology (SOC-239) https://study.com/college/school/thomas-...rsity.html
You can take Foundations of Gerongology either as a UExcel https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/UE...es_at_TESU or from Study.com
Coopersmith has Environmental Sociology, Social Ethics, and The Jewish Child in Traditional Jewish Society.
Marriage and the Family (SOC-210-TE) TECEP exam, only if you don't take this as an ePack - see below.

You could also take some additional credits from TESU to get to 16 credits and avoid the residency waiver fee of $3192. For example:
Capstone
PLA-100
SOC-387 OR SOC-417
Women and Social Action (SOC-376)
Marriage and the Family (SOC-210) ePack
Intro to Sociology ePack

ePacks are exams that cost the same as courses, but they count toward residency credit. The TECEPs are cheaper exams that do NOT count toward residency credit.

[JPN]

JPN, were your non-degree credits from your alma mater post-degree, were they graded or were they audit, and are they listed above?

4 out of the 6 sociology courses were completed after I graduated, and while I was in non-degree student status. It is listed on my degree. I also graduated with credits excess of what was required, but I'm not sure if those can be applied to a new degree in itself.

[Jonathan Whatley]

Everyone involved in this planning should note: In the U.S., a bachelor's degree is always four traditional academic years FTE (about 120 semester hours). Canadian bachelor's degrees vary: some are three years FTE (~90 semester hours), some are four years FTE (~120 semester hours). If it's titled an "Honours degree" with a postnominal like "B.A. (Hons.)," it was four years, but some four year degrees are listed without that title. Whether an American school treats a Canadian three-year bachelor's as a prior bachelor's at all, equivalent to a complete American bachelor's, can vary by American school and potentially by individual case.

[carrythenothing]

Everyone involved in this planning should note: In the U.S., a bachelor's degree is always four traditional academic years FTE (about 120 semester hours). Canadian bachelor's degrees vary: some are three years FTE (~90 semester hours), some are four years FTE (~120 semester hours). If it's titled an "Honours degree" with a postnominal like "B.A. (Hons.)," it was four years, but some four year degrees are listed without that title. Whether an American school treats a Canadian three-year bachelor's as a prior bachelor's at all, equivalent to a complete American bachelor's, can vary by American school and potentially by individual case.

I do see at least 120 semester credit hours in the original post.

[Jonathan Whatley]

Everyone involved in this planning should note: In the U.S., a bachelor's degree is always four traditional academic years FTE (about 120 semester hours). Canadian bachelor's degrees vary: some are three years FTE (~90 semester hours), some are four years FTE (~120 semester hours). If it's titled an "Honours degree" with a postnominal like "B.A. (Hons.)," it was four years, but some four year degrees are listed without that title. Whether an American school treats a Canadian three-year bachelor's as a prior bachelor's at all, equivalent to a complete American bachelor's, can vary by American school and potentially by individual case.

I do see at least 120 semester credit hours in the original post.

But they include courses taken post degree which could count as new credit. Further, everything might count as new credit if a three-year Canadian bachelor's doesn't trigger a second-bachelor's policy at an American school.

[bjcheung77]

@JPN, Welcome to the board! We have a member from UofT... Now we have one from UBC... Are you in the lower mainland or Fraser Valley area?  I see you've completed the template, but may have missed the last post of mine... Please provide a bit more details as it will determine a few things: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...Area-works

Are you only interested in a BA Sociology or would a Social Science work for you?  I see you've done a quick analysis of which schools are possible for your BA Sociology, TESU is a great option as the CBE's such as UMPI, Walden, WGU do not have this degree.  Excelsior has a BS Social Science, COSC has the Sociology as well...but I would stick with TESU.

My only question really is, are you planning to take the 16 credits for removing the residency waiver fee? Or are you going to just take alternative credit, the required cornerstone/capstone only, and pay the residency waiver fee?  I suggest taking the 16 credits or more.  The reason is... actually, I'll wait for your answers to the "other details" I've linked above.

[carrythenothing]

Everyone involved in this planning should note: In the U.S., a bachelor's degree is always four traditional academic years FTE (about 120 semester hours). Canadian bachelor's degrees vary: some are three years FTE (~90 semester hours), some are four years FTE (~120 semester hours). If it's titled an "Honours degree" with a postnominal like "B.A. (Hons.)," it was four years, but some four year degrees are listed without that title. Whether an American school treats a Canadian three-year bachelor's as a prior bachelor's at all, equivalent to a complete American bachelor's, can vary by American school and potentially by individual case.

I do see at least 120 semester credit hours in the original post.

But they include courses taken post degree which could count as new credit. Further, everything might count as new credit if a three-year Canadian bachelor's doesn't trigger a second-bachelor's policy at an American school.

The OP mentioned six sociology classes, but there's only two listed in the post. OP will need to confirm with an evaluation in either case.

[dfrecore]

Everyone seems to be talking about this as if it's a 1st bachelor's when it may be a 2nd bachelor's, in which case there are different requirements.

So, we need to know if this was a 120cr bachelor's degree from Canada.

Then, I'd probably look at FHSU to see what their requirements are for a 1st vs. 2nd degree.
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I might also look at something like a Data Analytics degree from TESU; I think that's statistics-related? Sounds like it would open up some more/better career opportunities later.

[JPN]

TESU is fine with courses from other countries. However, you will need to have them evaluated.

I'm not sure if your SOCI 101 counts as Intro to Sociology. I think it might/should; but if it doesn't, then you can take it from Sophia.org or Study.com.

For Modern Sociological Foundations/Contemporary Sociological theory, I think you'll have to take that from TESU. I could be wrong there, though.

If WRDS 150 doesn't count toward the Research section, you can take Statistics at Sophia.org.

I would definitely recommend getting your Canadian transcript evaluated and then apply to TESU so you know where you stand, exactly. Since you already have a Bachelor's degree, you'd be waived from having to take the gen ed requirements. But you will have to earn at least 24 NEW credits for a TESU degree: https://blog.tesu.edu/the-secret-to-earn...ond-degree

Since the AOS is 45 credits, you should be able to use SOCI 101, SOCI 387, and WRDS 150. That leaves 4 UL Sociology classes + the capstone.
Study.com has Sociology of Work that comes in as SOC-362.
You can take the UExcel Cultural Diversity that should come in as SOC-322.
The UExcel World Population may come in as an UL Sociology class, but you'd need to get that preplanned with an advisor because nobody has reported transferring that one.
Coopersmith has the following courses that would also need to be preplanned: "A Social History of Jewish Food", "Jewish Clothing in History, Society, and Thought", "Sociology of the Ba'al Teshuva Movement", "The Jewish Woman in Medieval Society".
CIS Testing has Sociology of Jewish Food https://cistesting.org/downloads/sociolo...d-soc-103/ This would, again, need to be preplanned to ensure that it comes in as expected. See this thread for more information on how CIS Testing works: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...-Directory It's unknown whether Sociology of Jewish Food and Coopersmith's History of Jewish Food might overlap.

For LL Sociology credits:
SDC has Victimology (SOC-239) https://study.com/college/school/thomas-...rsity.html
You can take Foundations of Gerongology either as a UExcel https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/UE...es_at_TESU or from Study.com
Coopersmith has Environmental Sociology, Social Ethics, and The Jewish Child in Traditional Jewish Society.
Marriage and the Family (SOC-210-TE) TECEP exam, only if you don't take this as an ePack - see below.

You could also take some additional credits from TESU to get to 16 credits and avoid the residency waiver fee of $3192. For example:
Capstone
PLA-100
SOC-387 OR SOC-417
Women and Social Action (SOC-376)
Marriage and the Family (SOC-210) ePack
Intro to Sociology ePack

ePacks are exams that cost the same as courses, but they count toward residency credit. The TECEPs are cheaper exams that do NOT count toward residency credit.

Thank you so much for the advice! I'm not sure either that SOCI 101 will count as Introduction to Sociology. I do have SOCI 102 - Inequality in Society, which together constitute 6 credits. At UBC, the two courses form the first year pre-requisites for all other Socioogy courses.

JPN, were your non-degree credits from your alma mater post-degree, were they graded or were they audit, and are they listed above?

4 out of the 6 sociology courses were completed after I graduated, and while I was in non-degree student status. It is listed on my degree. I also graduated with credits excess of what was required, but I'm not sure if those can be applied to a new degree in itself.

They were post-degree, all graded. Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, I have actually forgotten to list them. I used an old Excel sheet. I can't seem to edit anymore so I will make a separate post to clarify.

Everyone involved in this planning should note: In the U.S., a bachelor's degree is always four traditional academic years FTE (about 120 semester hours). Canadian bachelor's degrees vary: some are three years FTE (~90 semester hours), some are four years FTE (~120 semester hours). If it's titled an "Honours degree" with a postnominal like "B.A. (Hons.)," it was four years, but some four year degrees are listed without that title. Whether an American school treats a Canadian three-year bachelor's as a prior bachelor's at all, equivalent to a complete American bachelor's, can vary by American school and potentially by individual case.

I do see at least 120 semester credit hours in the original post.

But they include courses taken post degree which could count as new credit. Further, everything might count as new credit if a three-year Canadian bachelor's doesn't trigger a second-bachelor's policy at an American school.

To clarify, I have a 4 year, 120 credit Bachelor's degree. I forgot to list the 4 Sociology courses i took after I graduated UBC in my original summary.

@JPN, Welcome to the board! We have a member from UofT... Now we have one from UBC... Are you in the lower mainland or Fraser Valley area?  I see you've completed the template, but may have missed the last post of mine... Please provide a bit more details as it will determine a few things: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...Area-works

Are you only interested in a BA Sociology or would a Social Science work for you?  I see you've done a quick analysis of which schools are possible for your BA Sociology, TESU is a great option as the CBE's such as UMPI, Walden, WGU do not have this degree.  Excelsior has a BS Social Science, COSC has the Sociology as well...but I would stick with TESU.

My only question really is, are you planning to take the 16 credits for removing the residency waiver fee? Or are you going to just take alternative credit, the required cornerstone/capstone only, and pay the residency waiver fee?  I suggest taking the 16 credits or more.  The reason is... actually, I'll wait for your answers to the "other details" I've linked above.

I'm in the Lower Mainland! Since I can't edit my original post, I'll make a follow-up reply, but I do have some circumstances I'll lay down. Thank you for the guidance!

Everyone involved in this planning should note: In the U.S., a bachelor's degree is always four traditional academic years FTE (about 120 semester hours). Canadian bachelor's degrees vary: some are three years FTE (~90 semester hours), some are four years FTE (~120 semester hours). If it's titled an "Honours degree" with a postnominal like "B.A. (Hons.)," it was four years, but some four year degrees are listed without that title. Whether an American school treats a Canadian three-year bachelor's as a prior bachelor's at all, equivalent to a complete American bachelor's, can vary by American school and potentially by individual case.

I do see at least 120 semester credit hours in the original post.

But they include courses taken post degree which could count as new credit. Further, everything might count as new credit if a three-year Canadian bachelor's doesn't trigger a second-bachelor's policy at an American school.

The OP mentioned six sociology classes, but there's only two listed in the post. OP will need to confirm with an evaluation in either case.

Everyone seems to be talking about this as if it's a 1st bachelor's when it may be a 2nd bachelor's, in which case there are different requirements.

So, we need to know if this was a 120cr bachelor's degree from Canada.

Then, I'd probably look at FHSU to see what their requirements are for a 1st vs. 2nd degree.
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I might also look at something like a Data Analytics degree from TESU; I think that's statistics-related? Sounds like it would open up some more/better career opportunities later.

In British Columbia, there are only 4 year Bachelor's degrees. To my knowledge, the 3 year Bachelor's degree is mostly limited to the Ontario post-secondary education system. Quebec has 3-year degrees but they're equivalent to a 4 year degree because Quebec uses the CEGEP system where students complete their last year of high school and first year of university at sort of a pre-university institution.

I noticed the Data Analytics degree option as well but I couldn't really wrap my head around it to be honest with you. It seems almost entirely driven by a partnership with Statistics.com and I'm not sure how to start lining up ACE credit options with the program itself. Thank you for the suggestion though!

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JPN, were your non-degree credits from your alma mater post-degree, were they graded or were they audit, and are they listed above?

4 out of the 6 sociology courses were completed after I graduated, and while I was in non-degree student status. It is listed on my degree. I also graduated with credits excess of what was required, but I'm not sure if those can be applied to a new degree in itself.

I meant to say transcript, not degree, apologies.

My only question really is, are you planning to take the 16 credits for removing the residency waiver fee? Or are you going to just take alternative credit, the required cornerstone/capstone only, and pay the residency waiver fee?  I suggest taking the 16 credits or more.  The reason is... actually, I'll wait for your answers to the "other details" I've linked above.

Budget: I don't have a set budget and I have a decent amount saved up. I'd ideally like to spend less than $4500 USD.
Commitments: I work full time already, often encounter overtime and I'm juggling learning a few different things (namely French, driving and likely high school math).
Dedicated time to study: I'm honestly not sure that I can keep up with some of the crazy impressive paces that all of you are following. I would be able to commit about 12 hours per week to schoolwork.
Timeline: I would like to finish within 18 months.
Tuition assistance/reimbursement: I'd like to apply for the tuition tax credit in Canada (which is something I will figure out myself, ACE credits aren't eligible for any kind of student aid or tuition tax credit, but credited courses at TESU would).

Some curveballs:

I actually never completed Pre-Calculus 12, which is a a high school course required to move onto entry level Calculus. A sociology degree doesn't require math and would be a bit easier, but I'm willing to go back to night school to complete this first.

I'm not necessarily set on getting a second degree. I've been lurking this forum for a few years now but back then, I was a UBC student and already set to get a brick and mortar degree. I'm super fascinated by what goes on this forum, and the opportunities that you're each crafting out for yourselves. I really admire that many of you are lifelong learners and do this not necessarily for better opportunities, but for personal enjoyment. 

A degree explicitly in Sociology, Economics or Statistics would help make my career progression easier, but it's not necessarily a requirement, it just makes it slightly more difficult to move up overtime. I agree with the prior sentiments that of the three options, Sociology would open up the fewest doors. There are job postings in my field where it's Economics & Statistics only, NOT sociology (i.e. environmental and science adjacent internal job postings). Sociology is definitely going to be the easiest path, but not my ideal one. If testing out of a relevant degree isn't a great option for my scenario, the more feasible alternative isn't to find another school but to drop the idea for the time being.

When it comes to doing a 16 credit TESU degree to waive the residency fee, I'm not necessarily opposed to it. It's not just a workload issue though - one of my future plans is to apply for a Computer Science degree program at a brick and mortar (as I don't think TESU's CS program is a good fit for me and I have yet to see the details of UMPI's program). This is mostly in the semi-likely possibility that I would be laid off or made redundant as I would get a tuition allowance for a brick and mortar program. However, admission into these programs, especially UBC's second degree in CS program, are based off your last 30 credits. I already have a pretty respectable last 30 credit average at UBC, and I'm worried about messing that up. I've heard that TESU is definitely not easy on marking (at least when compared to SNHU and UMPI), but I don't know how that is relative to Canadian marking standards (which are allegedly much harsher as grade inflation isn't as big of an issue here). I have no test of relative ease of grading in place.

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Some additional information about my ability to access Student Aid (Canadian FAFSA). I am not qualified to receive any kind of full-time student grants/bursaries as I already have a full-time job, so taking a 16 credit TESU term likely means I'd have zero help there. i could apply for part-time student grants/bursaries, and assuming the term was this year (as my income last year was relatively low), I could potentially receive some grant funding there. This means that taking a course load lower than the minimum credits for a full-time course load could actually put me ahead money wise, although I would need to pry more into the actual calculations itself.

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My additional courses in Sociology, that were taken at UBC, but not included within my first degree (taken as a non-degree student):

SOCI 102 - Inequality and Social Change (LL)
SOCI 217 - Research Methods in Sociology (LL, don't think this substitutes for SOS-492 "Research Methods in Social Sciences")
SOCI 361 - Social Inequality
SOCI 380 - Survey Research in Sociology

I'm definitely missing the UL theory course requirements for TESU Sociology.

[LevelUP]

SNHU has a Sociology degree

https://www.snhu.edu/admission/academic-.../V1CKXVUYx

SNHU takes Study.com, Sophia, etc.