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TESC Computer Science
#1
After talking to the companies I'm hoping to work for in the next couple years, looks like a pure CS degree is worlds better than a CIS concentration. So, there goes all my previous planning. Does anyone know if there is a list of what has been accepted for the CS Area of Study? I know some CIS courses apply, but I've also heard some of them do not. I'm still waiting for my application to go through, and don't expect the eval for a while yet. Based on what I have already completed and what I've read, I'll be 36-42 credits out, calculus and the AOS (less needed than the BSBA CIS, but looks like none that can be tested out of). Mainly, I'm looking for whether or not the following courses count toward the UL credit:

CIS 301 - Management Info Sys
CIS 344 - DSST Fund Cyber Sec
CIS 320 - Systems Analysis & Design
CIS 351 - Software Engineering (planning on taking elsewhere after reading about UptonSinclair's experience)

Also, I'm operating under the assumption that CMP courses do not apply. If that's incorrect, please let me know.
#2
This is an unofficial eval from the website. They are rarely 100% accurate, but it might help a bit.

Area of Study (15SH must be at 300/400 level)
Semester Hours Completed: 25.00
GPA Achieved/Needed: 4.000 / 2.000
Complete all 4 subrequirements:
A: Intro Computer Sci (Completed)
> Complete one Introduction to Computer Science course.
Src Course # Title S.H. Grd TESC # Notes
1.. CIT120 Computational Thinking... 3.00 A COS-111 *CC *TE (KCTCS Learn on Demand)

B: Data Structures (Not Started)
> Complete one Data Structures course.
_____________________________________________________________________ 3 credits

C: Math Requirement (Not Started)
> Complete ONE of the following courses to satisfy the Math
> requirement: Discrete Math, Linear Algebra (Calculus
> Based), Discrete Structures
_____________________________________________________________________ 3 credits

D: Compt Sci Elec 21 SH (Completed)
> Complete 21 semester hours (SH) of Computer Science courses
> as electives.
> **At least 15 of the 30 credits required within the entire
> Area of Study must be at the 300/400 level.**
Semester Hours Completed: 22.00
Group 1 (Completed)
Semester Hours Completed: 9.00
Src Course # Title S.H. Grd TESC # Notes
2.. CIS-351... Software Engineering..... 3.00 A (TESC)
2.. CIS-320... System Analysis & Design 3.00 A (TESC)
2.. CIS-301... Management Information Sy 3.00 CR CIS-301 *NE (DSST)
Group 2 (Completed)
Semester Hours Completed: 13.00
Src Course # Title S.H. Grd TESC # Notes
1.. CIT217 Unix Linux Administration 3.00 A COS-283 *CC *TE (KCTCS Learn on Demand)
3.. MAC115 Hyper Text Markup Languag 3.00 A CAP-284 *CC *TE (Community College)
2.. COS-213... C++ Programming.......... 4.00 CR COS-213 *(Straighterline)
2.. COS-101... Introduction to Computers 3.00 CR COS-101 *NE (CLEP)

Computer Information Systems courses are specifically listed in the area of study accepted courses, but technology type courses are not. I believe this is why you don't see the networking TECEP listed. When you speak of talking to employers about a Computer Science degree it is important to remember that many people are going to want to see a more traditional Computer Science sequence. While planning a Computer Science sequence I would refer to a few well known university websites and see what their major sequence is for Computer Science. Having a BA in Computer Science already makes the degree a little out of the ordinary. There is no reason to add to the problems with too many applied courses rather than the traditional theory courses. In addition, if you choose to do a Master's in Computer Science you will be thankful that you knocked out the prerequisites as part of your Bachelor's instead of a bridge program. (Says the guy revisiting Calculus :ackSmile
#3
If you switch from CIS to CS, you'll have to take a lot of courses which cannot be tested out of, plus a couple of other science courses like Calc. TESC can get expensive for out-of-state students (depending on how long it takes you to finish) and their CS course catalog is rather limited. I may be going out on a limb here, but given the unusual circumstances, I actually think that the best solution may not be a TESC CS degree at all. I would at least consider one of the following:

a) Get the fastest degree from TESC you can - this will probably be either a BALS or BSBA Gen Mgmt. (it seems like you can pretty much test out from where you're at) After you finish, enroll in Oregon State's 2nd BS in CS program, which gets you a second degree in 60 quarter hours (40 semester hours) with no worries about Gen Eds. The ~$27k in tuition for the program is definitely on the high side, but all requirements can be completed within a year. By comparison, comprehensive tuition/fees at TESC would cost ~$9k for up to 36 credits, and more if it took you longer. (The "poor man's version" of this would be to get a TESC BA CS as a second degree. If you're a FL resident, FSU's online BS CS would also be a lower-cost alternative.)
Pro: Degree in hand very quickly and get a traditional curriculum CS degree afterwards
Con: Not cheap

b) Finish your CIS degree, covering only the basic CS courses such as Java/C++, Calc and Data Structures. You should be able to finish your degree more or less as planned and be eligible to apply to most MS CS or SE programs. There's probably more MS CS programs out there than BS CS programs, and there's bound to be one with the right structure, cost and admission requirements for you.
Pro: Finish degree faster and end up with a MS
Con: BS CIS -> MS CS transition may be rough without the right foundation
CPA (WA), CFA Level III Candidate

Currently pursuing: ALM, Data Science - Harvard University, Cambridge, MA (12/48, on hold for CFA/life commitments)
MBA, Finance/Accounting - Indiana University, Bloomington, IN, 2015
BSBA, General Management - Thomas Edison State College, Trenton, NJ, 2012


#4
hightecrebel Wrote:After talking to the companies I'm hoping to work for in the next couple years, looks like a pure CS degree is worlds better than a CIS concentration.

What type of work do you want to do? Programming, Web Dev, something else? My position is part Server Admin, part Security Admin, and part Management and although a CS degree would be more prestigious, the IS concentration lines up better with what I actually do. The only adjustment I would make is to add what is referred to as the introductory CS course sequence of CS I (programming I), CS II (programming II), and Data structures since it seems to be required for some Info systems / info security masters degrees.
Andy

---------------------------------

TESC - BSBA: CIS

Current Degree Plan
Complete:  TECEP Eng Comp I, Marriage and Family, Strategic Management, Networking, Computer Concepts, Liberal Math, Tech Writing, Managerial Accounting DSST MIS, Cybersecurity Study.com Macroeconomics
Remaining:  Waiting for credits to process

#5
Alright, looks like I should have posted my planned courses, sorry about that. As far as what the job would entail, they are both software engineering/program development jobs working closely with the military. The following are what I am planning for my degree:

Data Structures
Introduction to Programming (CC)
C Programming
C++ Programming
Compilers (CC)
Systems Analysis & Design
Software Engineering
Operating Systems
Computer Architecture
Assembly Language

ETA: I will be near a CC with a partnership with a local vocational school, and they offer a large number of CS & IT classes together, so there are a number of classes I could take that would turn UL credits through TESC into LL CC credits.
#6
You can complete the BSBA in CIS without taking any courses at any college. You would use some kind of combination of Straighterline, CLEP, DSST, Uexcel (probably don't need this), TECEP, ALEKS, Saylor, and CSU Global CBE. If you don't feel comfortable with the CSU Global CBEs, then you will only need to take two courses at TESC or somewhere else. Adams State University offers Systems Analysis and Design for $600. Penn Foster has Visual Basic and Intro to Programming if you don't want to take Straighterline's C++. It all depends on your future professional and educational goals.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
#7
Take for upper credits:
CIS 301 - DSST Management Info Sys
CIS 344 - DSST Fund Cyber Sec
CIS 311 Database Management ( TESC or Chadron)
COS 352 Operating systems ( TESC)
COS 330 Computer architecture ( TESC)
#8
hightecrebel Wrote:Mainly, I'm looking for whether or not the following courses count toward the UL credit:

CIS 301 - Management Info Sys
CIS 344 - DSST Fund Cyber Sec
CIS 320 - Systems Analysis & Design
CIS 351 - Software Engineering (planning on taking elsewhere after reading about UptonSinclair's experience)

Also, I'm operating under the assumption that CMP courses do not apply. If that's incorrect, please let me know.

Yes, all listed by you courses will be UL credits and will apply to BA in CS.

Yes, CMP courses, usually, do not apply.
#9
lavagirl Wrote:Yes, all listed by you courses will be UL credits and will apply to BA in CS.

Yes, CMP courses, usually, do not apply.

Perfect, thank you. Been racking my brain to figure out how to replace the some of the UL COS classes since I can take them at the CC/Voc Center in 6-8 week classes.
#10
Alright, after talking with my advisor, crunching numbers, and discussing with the companies who've said they want me, my plan is changing yet again. Be a bit easier this time, though. I'm going to basically test out of a BSBA CIS, depending on if the CSU Global exams are granted UL credit, and then knock out a TESC CS certificate. It will take a bit longer, but it seems to be the most effective way to knock these out without burning myself out at the same time. This way I'll be able to build the base for pursuing an MS CS and still be able to pursue a History BA in the future.

So my paths now looks like: BSBA CIS -> CS Undergrad Cert -> MS CS -> BA History -> ??? -> Profit!

Thank you all for your help so far, and I'll make sure to post updates on my journey and how TESC rates everything I transfer in along the way.


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