Texas Law on Using Substandard Degrees

[Vle045]

The problem I have with this whole thing is that we are debating the meaning behind Texas law. In the grand scheme of things, most of us have no reason to care what Texas decides.

[sanantone]

Not everyone likes to advertise their current geographical location.

What does that have to do with what I said? You either have an experience you're willing to share or you don't. You can't explain how you used your degree in the U.S. without divulging that you live in the U.S., which is a country with 328 million people and 3.8 million square miles.

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The problem I have with this whole thing is that we are debating the meaning behind Texas law.  In the grand scheme of things, most of us have no reason to care what Texas decides.

Then, you can personally ignore the thread if it does not pertain to you. It still doesn't mean that you shouldn't research laws in your own state. Oregon, for example, is stricter than Texas. But, if you don't want to do the research, that is your choice. 

Most of the threads on this forum are irrelevant to the majority. You take what you can use.

[rachel83az]

Not everyone likes to advertise their current geographical location.

What does that have to do with what I said? You either have an experience you're willing to share or you don't. You can't explain how you used your degree in the U.S. without divulging that you live in the U.S., which is a country with 328 million people and 3.8 million square miles.

You asked where the international people are, I told you. You seem to be under the impression that ENEB is somehow doing something illegal or else you wouldn't have posted this thread. That's clearly untrue or else US evaluators wouldn't evaluate the degree(s) at all.

[sanantone]

Not everyone likes to advertise their current geographical location.

What does that have to do with what I said? You either have an experience you're willing to share or you don't. You can't explain how you used your degree in the U.S. without divulging that you live in the U.S., which is a country with 328 million people and 3.8 million square miles.

You asked where the international people are, I told you. You seem to be under the impression that ENEB is somehow doing something illegal or else you wouldn't have posted this thread. That's clearly untrue or else US evaluators wouldn't evaluate the degree(s) at all.

That is not the implication. The thread was made to inform people who live in Texas, might move to Texas, or live in states with similar laws that there might be legal issues. There is absolutely no reason to be offended by law. It's ridiculous. 

How many people here are recent high school graduates in Vermont, a state with 600k people? Almost no one, but the free course information may be valuable to someone.

[openair]

sanantone,

The case for ENEB’s degree legitimacy in the U.S. could be made fairly easily. Let’s take the state of Texas, particularly the Texas Education Agency. https://tea.texas.gov/texas-educators/ce...n-services. The agency has a list of “Reviewed Foreign Credential Evaluator Providers.” Would you agree this would be a good list for seeking a credential evaluation in Texas, even though it’s primarily aimed at educators?

We have a forum member who had the ENEB degree evaluated (under general evaluation) as the equivalent of a regionally accredited Bachelor’s degree by one of the agencies listed by the Texas Education Agency, mainly ECE. You can browse the ENEB thread for full documentation. Regardless of what you might think of this judgement, it undermines the notion that ENEB’s independence and mere certification by Universidad Isabel I presents a major problem. ECE.org (A NACES member!) does not take this position. You could still say that it’s not a Master’s degree based on this evaluation (I can imagine a different judgement from other evaluators in the future). However, the case for using ENEB as a prime example of a fraudulent degree seems very suspect when you have a history of such evaluation by a NACES member and the fact that Spanish universities offer titulo propios (whether in cooperation or run on their own) as a legitimate option for students, even foreign students.

[rachel83az]

That is not the implication. The thread was made to inform people who live in Texas, might move to Texas, or live in states with similar laws that there might be legal issues. There is absolutely no reason to be offended by law. It's ridiculous. 

How many people here are recent high school graduates in Vermont, a state with 600k people? Almost no one, but the free course information may be valuable to someone.

I am not offended by the law. I simply don't think it has anything to do with ENEB. It'd be like posting bicycle law in a motorcycle forum. Sure, there is some crossover and there are laws that both have to follow but they are different things.

[sanantone]

sanantone,

The case for ENEB’s degree legitimacy in the U.S. could be made fairly easily. Let’s take the state of Texas, particularly the Texas Education Agency. https://tea.texas.gov/texas-educators/ce...n-services. The agency has a list of “Reviewed Foreign Credential Evaluator Providers.” Would you agree this would be a good list for seeking a credential evaluation in Texas, even though it’s primarily aimed at educators?

We have a forum member who had the ENEB degree evaluated (under general evaluation) as the equivalent of a regionally accredited Bachelor’s degree by one of the agencies listed by the Texas Education Agency, mainly ECE. You can browse the ENEB thread for full documentation. Regardless of what you might think of this judgement, it undermines the notion that ENEB’s independence and mere certification by Universidad Isabel I presents a major problem. ECE.org (A NACES member!) does not take this position. You could still say that it’s not a Master’s degree based on this evaluation (I can imagine a different judgement from other evaluators in the future). However, the case for using ENEB as a prime example of a fraudulent degree seems very suspect when you have a history of such evaluation by a NACES member and the fact that Spanish universities offer titulo propios (whether in cooperation or run on their own) as a legitimate option for students, even foreign students.

I appreciate your civility. 

I have no problem with using TEA as an example. Someone else took issue with me referencing faculty credential requirements and rules regarding the transfer of foreign credits. It's obvious that the state uses NACES members for guidance in this arena, which is to be expected anywhere in the U.S.

There have been different reasons for why some situations have been deemed fraudulent and others substandard. For example, California Coast University was not offering fraudulent degrees, but THECB deemed the school as substandard due to the lack of rigor in coursework. 

In reference to ENEB, if someone challenged your use of the degree to obtain a job, raise, or promotion, what are you going to show them? If you said you had a master's degree, are you going to show an accredited bachelor's degree evaluation? Are you going to show a non-accredited master's evaluation? Either one could pose a problem. 

It's not about whether what ENEB is doing in Spain is legal. We know that it is. It's about the legality of how U.S. residents in certain jurisdictions are representing their degrees.

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That is not the implication. The thread was made to inform people who live in Texas, might move to Texas, or live in states with similar laws that there might be legal issues. There is absolutely no reason to be offended by law. It's ridiculous. 

How many people here are recent high school graduates in Vermont, a state with 600k people? Almost no one, but the free course information may be valuable to someone.

I am not offended by the law. I simply don't think it has anything to do with ENEB. It'd be like posting bicycle law in a motorcycle forum. Sure, there is some crossover and there are laws that both have to follow but they are different things.

It would be like posting a state's emissions regulations and discussing how it would affect the owners of a vehicle that doesn't meet admissions standards in that state.

[jsd]

I don't get the emotional attachment to ENEB that prevents any honest discussion on this forum about possible shortcomings of the school.

It could be 100% perfect for your personal situation, but that doesn't mean valid concerns like this should be shouted down.

I'd be happy to tell people what I don't like about GT, WGU, TESU, or any other school or provider I've utilized. I'm happy to disagree and discuss with some criticism in other situations regarding these institutions where I think it is unfair. But with ENEB, if you even hint at any very obvious issues the program presents, it's like you've insulted someone's faith around here.

[sanantone]

I don't get the emotional attachment to ENEB that prevents any honest discussion on this forum about possible shortcomings of the school.

It could be 100% perfect for your personal situation, but that doesn't mean valid concerns like this should be shouted down.

I'd be happy to tell people what I don't like about GT, WGU, TESU, or any other school or provider I've utilized. I'm happy to disagree and discuss with some criticism in other situations regarding these institutions where I think it is unfair. But with ENEB, if you even hint at any very obvious issues the program presents, it's like you've insulted someone's faith around here.

It doesn't help their case because it comes off as being insecure.

[openair]

I live in Europe. In my country, the Spanish titulos propios have all been designated as a "graduate-level certificate" by one of the national ENIC-NARIC agencies. This essentially solves the problem of credential representation. There’s now a precedent for presenting them as degrees in the U.S, although some American evaluation agencies have likewise placed them in the graduate certificate (or graduate credit) category. I agree that you should attempt to present your credentials in accordance with laws in a given locale. I simply spoke up for the general legitimacy of ENEB credentials.