When you fail to study before exams...

[Saharapost]

Love this woman...

[video]https://youtu.be/VNbPuFfvnkA[/video]

[Mamasaphire]

lol! Already educated <wink>

[bjcheung77]

lol! Already educated <wink>

Haha, this is too much...

:iagree:

[cookderosa]

Attending community college is already available to everyone- anyone- and if you're in a lower income bracket, you'll receive a Pell, which over-pays the tuition. We don't need free community college. Even at the most expensive CCs in the country, you can earn your associate's degree for about $8,000. That's $75/week - an amount most of us can swing working a few hours waiting tables.

Now- here's the big question, let's say everyone earned an associate's degree (transfer or trade occupation) what's the pay off? More skilled trades (good) and more transfer students (useless). Transfer students aren't yet trained in a skill- they have 2 more years to go! So, they're now faced with the HIGHEST cost tuition, 300/400 level. Even as a transfer student, now they're jumping into a program that's going to cost them no less than $30,000 to finish their degree- and that's only if they stay in-state and keep living expenses to the minimum. Much harder to swing....

I hate the idea of just a blanked "free community college" approach because it doesn't solve the issue- if we really do have shortages in this county in certain occupations, then fund incentives programs to attract students into those occupations.

(and even though I found the gal humorous to watch, the truth is, that speaking up is a skill I applaud)

[davewill]

Attending community college is already available to everyone- anyone- and if you're in a lower income bracket, you'll receive a Pell, which over-pays the tuition. We don't need free community college. Even at the most expensive CCs in the country, you can earn your associate's degree for about $8,000. That's $75/week - an amount most of us can swing working a few hours waiting tables.

Now- here's the big question, let's say everyone earned an associate's degree (transfer or trade occupation) what's the pay off? More skilled trades (good) and more transfer students (useless). Transfer students aren't yet trained in a skill- they have 2 more years to go! So, they're now faced with the HIGHEST cost tuition, 300/400 level. Even as a transfer student, now they're jumping into a program that's going to cost them no less than $30,000 to finish their degree- and that's only if they stay in-state and keep living expenses to the minimum. Much harder to swing....

I hate the idea of just a blanked "free community college" approach because it doesn't solve the issue- if we really do have shortages in this county in certain occupations, then fund incentives programs to attract students into those occupations.

(and even though I found the gal humorous to watch, the truth is, that speaking up is a skill I applaud)

It's a stepping stone to free 4 year college. I don't understand your antipathy to transfer students. Taking upper division doesn't cost more than lower division. The transfer student would essentially be paying half as much for their education.

Anyway, the problem that is being solved isn't shortages in certain occupations, it's the ridiculous cost of most higher education. Even at public universities it keeps rising at many times the inflation rate. I should know I've got twins I'm trying to somehow get through school. One just got in as a transfer to UCLA, and that's going to hurt.

Rant: What we really need is to stop the ridiculously extravagant expenditures that our public universities seem to think they need. University presidents don't need salaries like CEOs (of course CEOs aren't worth that money either).

[Mamasaphire]

Rant: What we really need is to stop the ridiculously extravagant expenditures that our public universities seem to think they need. University presidents don't need salaries like CEOs (of course CEOs aren't worth that money either).

And constantly brand new state-of-the-art gyms, cafeterias, etc.

[adavis84]

...Even at the most expensive CCs in the country, you can earn your associate's degree for about $8,000...

I'm actually really interested in seeing compiled data for this. My nearest CC is $5500 / academic year (tuition only and I believe there is a 30sh cap with a per credit fee afterward, not 100% on that though). A 60sh AA will run north of $11k with books et al. I wonder if there are some that are even higher out there?

[SweetSecret]

Attending community college is already available to everyone- anyone- and if you're in a lower income bracket, you'll receive a Pell, which over-pays the tuition.

Jennifer, I adore you, however this statement is pretty much a blanket & not always true... though I wish it were! Many students for various reasons are not able to access this funding. When I first started college, because of my age & my parents refusal to be involved or fill out the FAFSA forms - I did not receive the pell grant until about the last term of my associates because I'd just turned old enough to apply on my own. I also met a girl last week (amazing young woman) who didn't qualify because she had a felony as a child, grew up in the system since both parents were involved in drugs, & she was pardoned for the felony much later when she was 28. By then she already had her bachelors. Her parents weren't involved in her college education either though. My point is that there are some extreme cases which exist, & for those of us who have lived through them we would have really benefitted from a different (more reasonable) way to access education. This forum is helping with that, but people shouldn't need to jump through hoops while their peers casually access college.

[sanantone]

Attending community college is already available to everyone- anyone- and if you're in a lower income bracket, you'll receive a Pell, which over-pays the tuition. We don't need free community college. Even at the most expensive CCs in the country, you can earn your associate's degree for about $8,000. That's $75/week - an amount most of us can swing working a few hours waiting tables.

Now- here's the big question, let's say everyone earned an associate's degree (transfer or trade occupation) what's the pay off? More skilled trades (good) and more transfer students (useless). Transfer students aren't yet trained in a skill- they have 2 more years to go! So, they're now faced with the HIGHEST cost tuition, 300/400 level. Even as a transfer student, now they're jumping into a program that's going to cost them no less than $30,000 to finish their degree- and that's only if they stay in-state and keep living expenses to the minimum. Much harder to swing....

I hate the idea of just a blanked "free community college" approach because it doesn't solve the issue- if we really do have shortages in this county in certain occupations, then fund incentives programs to attract students into those occupations.

(and even though I found the gal humorous to watch, the truth is, that speaking up is a skill I applaud)

I agree with part of your post. I do not agree with $75 a week being easy to afford. If I didn't receive the Pell Grant, I would not have been able to afford $75 per week. Luckily, Texas CCs aren't that expensive anyway.

I worked full-time, but I had bills to pay. I wasn't living at home with my mother. I also had a dependent to provide for making less than $9 per hour. $300 per month would have made us homeless. Of course, one can take on a second job, but that means that there would be practically no time left to put in an adequate amount of effort on schoolwork, especially if one is attending on campus.

The woman in the video does have a point. Making CCs free should be around the same cost as offering grants since grants are often give in excess. Of course, eliminating grants, though, would mean that students would have to take out loans to help with books and living expenses.

While some may believe that some college presidents make too much (a very small percentage make as much as CEOs), reducing their salaries will probably drop tuition rates a couple of dollars at most.

The required fees do hurt. Students should be able to opt out of access to things they won't use.

[cookderosa]

It's a stepping stone to free 4 year college. I don't understand your antipathy to transfer students. Taking upper division doesn't cost more than lower division. The transfer student would essentially be paying half as much for their education.

Apples and oranges, not antipathy. A graduate with an AA for transfer hasn't yet earned their job skills they'll earn when they do their major. In other words, the "free community college" hasn't paid for 2 (+) years that matter- the last 2.