$900 Elmwood Master of Leadership and Management (NA DEAC)

[TINASAM]

I don't "enjoy" business related courses (I know, I know...) and its tedious. But its a good price and they're good people. They're ironing out the kinks and I'm honored to help show them sections needing redone or things like typos and other problems.

I'm getting it because it is cheap and it helps move other aspects of my career along.


My doctorate is going to be enjoyable. I just got to get to May, lol.

[DanielH1987]

I had a call with the DEAC yesterday, as I wanted to confirm the legitimacy, especially since their site listed Elmwood.edu, when the site is still elmwood.org, leading it to a dead page. They said they'd update it on their end, and it is an org site because they haven't received their full accreditation as a solo university. 

It was alluded to that their was a dispute on teaching philosophies, which led to the split in organization. Patten is "sponsoring" in a sense.

What does this mean for potential students?

If you complete the degree and they fold? Your degree will still be a NA recognized degree, held by Patten.

If you complete your degree and they succeed to full accredited institute? Your degree will be NA recognized, held by Elmwood.

If you complete your degree, and after it is completed, they obtain RA status? Your degree will still be held by Elmwood, but would not retroactively become RA, it would remain NA.

If you do not complete your degree? You could've wasted your money on a lot of worse things.


I also got the understanding the price is the price, since Elmwood in a sense is trying to build their portfolio to prove they should get their own accredited institute. I am undecided on doing Elmwood first or either WGU or UoPeople MBA first, and risk this price of Elmwood spiking.

[lincolnlawyer]

I had a call with the DEAC yesterday, as I wanted to confirm the legitimacy, especially since their site listed Elmwood.edu, when the site is still elmwood.org, leading it to a dead page. They said they'd update it on their end, and it is an org site because they haven't received their full accreditation as a solo university. 

It was alluded to that their was a dispute on teaching philosophies, which led to the split in organization. Patten is "sponsoring" in a sense.

What does this mean for potential students?

If you complete the degree and they fold? Your degree will still be a NA recognized degree, held by Patten.

If you complete your degree and they succeed to full accredited institute? Your degree will be NA recognized, held by Elmwood.

If you complete your degree, and after it is completed, they obtain RA status? Your degree will still be held by Elmwood, but would not retroactively become RA, it would remain NA.

If you do not complete your degree? You could've wasted your money on a lot of worse things.


I also got the understanding the price is the price, since Elmwood in a sense is trying to build their portfolio to prove they should get their own accredited institute. I am undecided on doing Elmwood first or either WGU or UoPeople MBA first, and risk this price of Elmwood spiking.

Why not Walden over WGU? If you can knock it out in 3 months Walden seems the cheaper and more reputable option than the two.

[TaraD2020]

I tried to apply for this, and unfortunately, I am in a state where I cannot. I don't even understand why, but whatever. Would have been nice to try out the program for such a low price.

[ProReader]

Is national accreditation as ‘worthless’ as I have read online?
I know it’s all unique to one’s situation, but other than personal interest, is NA good for job prospects, public jobs etc?

[darthweezy]

That depends. Some employers only want RA. A lot of public sector jobs now take NA and RA. In education for example, both are good to go.

[bjcheung77]

Why not Walden over WGU? If you can knock it out in 3 months Walden seems the cheaper and more reputable option than the two.

WGU is not for profit and they're endorsed by several states, Walden is for profit and I usually recommend them as a last resort type of thing.

Is national accreditation as ‘worthless’ as I have read online?
I know it’s all unique to one’s situation, but other than personal interest, is NA good for job prospects, public jobs etc?

Not worthless, NA's fine for most scenarios. I usually recommend RA over NA due to recognition and possible additional programmatic and secondary accreditation for some programs at the under grad level. The higher you go, such as Masters level, it would matter even less, especially when you get to the doctoral level... NA degrees at a higher level are much more affordable.

[ProReader]

I’m not sure if you can answer this, but although NA and RA are USA based, are NA degrees generally accepted overseas (UK, Australia, Canada etc.)?

I understand that external evaluation is required, but wondered this generally speaking?

For example, ENEB is titulo propio and not recognised as a masters in the UK; I wondered how NA degrees are evaluated generally.

Thanks again

[bjcheung77]

Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, UK, and many more countries will take the NA degree, the reason is because it's recognized by the USDDOE, these countries look at the Ministry of Education or DOE, if it's recognized within that country, it'll be evaluated favorably.

FYI, ENEB was recognized in the UK, BREXIT had changes to everything.  Just like how WES did a 180, ENIC/NARIC UK did the same thing.  Technically, for many countries, ENEB will work as it's equivalent to UK Level 7 diploma, thus, CES in Canada evaluated it accordingly.

Here's a reference thread, there is a link to post #5, review that thread as well because you've posted on both before, it'll give you more details: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...-Australia

From reading your previous posts, you're looking for info/updates on the cheapest or freebie programs and stalling because you're wanting to make sure they're perfect and check all the boxes.  I hate to break it down to you, but you're being too cautious and stalling on that one decision.  You're trying to convince yourself that an ENEB or a $900 Elmwood MLM is similar to an RA program that's twice, up to 10X+ the cost.  

I've mentioned this a few times, the last time was for this person who was comparing ENEB to HULT, a $180-$500 program to an $80K+, https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...ing-Advice - I am here to help, but we need to decide and not stall.  I took the ENEB programs not for the credit or degree transferability, but for filling the knowledge and learning gaps.  You already have a good education, you should do the ENEB & $900 Elmwood MLM.

Why both? You can't get enough education, it's a life long learning process, I am also in your type of shoes, I like to continuously learn and keep up with current knowledge in subject matter that interests me.  In addition to that, you're adding not one, but multiple recognized degrees for an amazingly affordable price point, you can't get that elsewhere.

[Churchd]

Mod edit: For Undergrad options, I've split the thread here:  $1350 Patten Bachelor

The DEAC has approved the already nationally accredited Patten University to launch a new division named the Elmwood Institute. The Elmwood Institute currently offers one program, a Master of Leadership and Management.

Tuition is currently listed as $25 per credit x 36 credits = $900 for the entire degree ($75 per 3-credit course).

Each course is completed within a 16-week term but is described as "self-paced." The start of each calendar month is the start of a new 16-week term, so terms overlap.

In addition to the 12 courses there is a comprehensive exam or an approved project.

A bachelor's degree or international equivalent is required for admission.

The non-Elmwood Institute main body of Patten University continues to offer several programs at more normal tuition, $330 per credit graduate level.

This Patten University is not regionally accredited. The name has a complicated history. A school named Patten University was once a brick-and-mortar institution in Oakland, California and once held regional accreditation from WASC, but in several asset sales it converted to for-profit online and then lost its accreditation. Later its name was acquired by American Graduate University. AGU then changed its name to Patten University while retaining AGU's own pre-existing national accreditation from the DEA

I wanted to enroll but unfortunately my state is not on the list. Do we think they'll add more states? I think it's strange how they refer you to other DEAC schools.